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 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Assertiveness is in anything but short supply at this here forum, but there is much to be said for gray-haired experience in that department. I've listened to that experience from the moment I arrived pre-gray.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I turn 44 next week and have grown VERY grey -- at least my beard has. Do I qualify to join the "Old Club"? Maybe not, since I'm also a huge fan of Zimmer. I can listen to Zimmer, Stockhausen and Waxman with equal enthusiasm.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I expect some will wonder why the hell this old coot is posting some of the stuff he does, but there are other old coots out there who might enjoy it. It certainly beats the heck out of reading more nonsense about Zimmer and the hates/loves of his "sound designs".

Hey Ron, I have certainly noticed your current topics. So glad you are posting music from the Golden Age. Nice to revisit those scores.

Thanks Howard and Thor for posting here. Thor, 44 is still young and I'm glad you can listen to Zimmer AND Waxman. I like some current composers, but I still hope youngers will traverse backwards to Silver and Golden Age scores. Some of what we hear today had earlier foundations.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I turn 44 next week and have grown VERY grey -- at least my beard has. Do I qualify to join the "Old Club"? Maybe not, since I'm also a huge fan of Zimmer. I can listen to Zimmer, Stockhausen and Waxman with equal enthusiasm.

I started going grey when I was around 11/12. Still not fully but close. Anyone remember The Mallens?

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


joan, great topic. The fact that I didn't see it makes me realize how less frequently I visit the board these days. I do stop by to look for new releases etc. I was a late comer to the board and so wish that I had been around years ago to have experienced the knowledge and wisdom of the earlier members. However, I do enjoy the same contributions of the younger members as well. I've been introduced to some terrific film music by these youngsters.

I am in my mid 60s and was so pleased when I dropped into Stephen's Zoom meetings that I wasn't the oldest or the youngest. I just couldn't contribute much to the discussion but was blown completely away by the experience and knowledge all of the members who participate. It was amazing.

My daughter has considered joining FSM but her love is game music and she's not sure there are enough members who love it as well.

I am all over the place on film music these days. I will admit I am struggling while trying to find something I'm passionate about to fill my listening time. I am visiting the golden and silver ages for score and movies of late. Thanks to Ron Pulliam, I have dusted off a copy of Airport I was given years ago. So there is much to still be discovered.

We'll stick around joan. Some days we'll engage and some days we'll "meh".

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I feel a little sad that many young collectors, on a diet of post 70's formulaic retreads, may never experience the wealth of inspiration and originality that we oldies have been entranced by for decades.

Formulaic retreads have been a hallmark of film music as long as there has been film music. It's just the style of tire that changes over the decades.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. I enjoy retreads of every vintage.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

We'll stick around joan. Some days we'll engage and some days we'll "meh".

Yes, Edw, do stick around.

Sean, nice tire analogy.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I turn 44 next week and have grown VERY grey -- at least my beard has. Do I qualify to join the "Old Club"?
Nope. Pre-gray. Just as I upon joining the board at 42. And yet m'coif remains brown. Literally. confusedcool

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey Howard, I still have brown hair. Thanks to dye. wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2021 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I turn 44 next week and have grown VERY grey -- at least my beard has. Do I qualify to join the "Old Club"? Maybe not, since I'm also a huge fan of Zimmer. I can listen to Zimmer, Stockhausen and Waxman with equal enthusiasm.

You will ALWAYS be a young scoundrel to me, Thor!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I am bumping up this thread because I lately encountered someone who challenged my tastes based on my preferences for "symphonic" scores.

i can say without doubt that he has NOT been paying attention, because my main preference has always been for GOOD music, whether performed by a symphony orchestra, on a piano or on synths. As long as it is GOOD music and not the type of nonsensical noodling that just about anyone is capable of performing on modern electronic equipment.

I love anything that is both supportive of what is going on and that also speaks to my intellect, such as it is.

Droning doesn't do it for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

I am bumping up this thread because I lately encountered someone who challenged my tastes based on my preferences for "symphonic" scores.

i can say without doubt that he has NOT been paying attention, because my main preference has always been for GOOD music, whether performed by a symphony orchestra, on a piano or on synths. As long as it is GOOD music and not the type of nonsensical noodling that just about anyone is capable of performing on modern electronic equipment.

I love anything that is both supportive of what is going on and that also speaks to my intellect, such as it is.

Droning doesn't do it for me.


People who describe film scores as "symphonic" scores usually have no idea what they're talking about. The only valid use I've found is describing scores that are actually structured classically.

Assuming Zimmer as the layman's polar opposite to "symphonic" scores, I bring forward my favorite interview with Hans Zimmer and Edwin Black as the interviewer. It's older but full of gems:

Zimmer: "Within any year I see 90--no, maybe 98--percent horrible stuff and two percent quality."

Zimmer: "Ironically, despite all the scores I've written, there are very few I'm proud of."

One of the last questions the interviewer asks is ironically one that Zimmer doesn't answer:

Interviewer: "So do you see soundtrack music becoming more creative, more inspired, or is it all going to homogenize into sound effects--what I call museffex?"

Zimmer probably couldn't have given an answer to that last question because he had yet to fulfill the interviewer's prophecy.

But while this is an old interview, the point is that even Zimmer provided an extremely honest assessment that not all film scores are great. The significance of this is that I find of late there is an unusually large amount of people who like a film score and have a very low threshold for criticism.

Which brings me to my point: there is a difference between people who put music on and generally "like" it vs. people who actually listen to music. Most people don't listen, they put music on in the background and say they like it. It broadly sets a mood or provides a form of social currency than makes them feel included in what everyone else likes. People who listen to music spend the time full experiencing it and all of the component parts and techniques that go into it. They learn the history, they do the research, and they pursue music that may not be an obvious choice to listen to but has specific qualities worth exploring by listening. I trust the perspectives of people who listen and can actually explain their experience of the music more than people who just generally like music.

Anyone can like music. It requires zero intention and effort. Not everyone listens to music. That requires intention and effort.

For people who actually do like music and are worth your time, they will probably listen to, appreciate, and understand almost every genre and type of music there is. Spend time with those kinds of people and ignore the others.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Believe it or not, they still make good music today. But you have to decide if it is good. Because it is for you. Don't judge the music on a barometer of what you think other people expect from it, but what it does for you.

My favorite definition of the word music is from Miriam-Webster:

"Music myĆ¼-zik (noun):
The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity."

So I judge music on this. Is it doing that and am I engaged in listening to it? Is it fulfilling in the experience?

I also don't give a shit about what other people could think of my taste in music. But I met a woman who loves my taste in music and shares such a similar taste with just enough difference that we can share new experiences with one another based upon what we like separately and together. Music is love.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

I turned 22 a few months ago. I feel so old...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I love anything that is both supportive of what is going on and that also speaks to my intellect, such as it is.

Droning doesn't do it for me.


Glad you resurrected this topic, Ron. I agree with you. I can listen to electronic scores if they are, as you said, "Good" music. I also love orchestral scores. I too like music that is supportive of the movie, talks to my intellect and also speaks to my emotions or my heart.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Anyone can like music. It requires zero intention and effort. Not everyone listens to music. That requires intention and effort.

For people who actually do like music and are worth your time, they will probably listen to, appreciate, and understand almost every genre and type of music there is. Spend time with those kinds of people and ignore the others.


Those statements make a lot of sense. I would add that personal taste does impact one's choices as to what he or she really LISTENS to with "intention and effort."

nut-score, I really liked that dictionary's definition of music. "Music is love." Very nice.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2023 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I truly love it when a composer seeks out the subliminal, psychological aspect of a scene in a film and scores to that rather than just makes noise.

I like grandiosity; I like simplicity.

I love it when a composer makes me feel he or she knows exactly what is going on in a scene and brings out both originality and technique in helping me experience it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2023 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm 45, but still feel like I'm one of the younger folks on FSM. One of the few remaining places, both online and in real life, where I get that sensation these days. So definitely not too old for the FSM board.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2023 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I turned 22 a few months ago. I feel so old...

Are you having a laugh. As I right with aged , withered , gnarled fingers. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2023 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Not a question of to old but are we a dying breed? Sure Elfman, Zimmer and Giacchino have brought in some new fans over the last few decades but it seems to be with ever diminishing result.

 
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