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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2014 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I just don't get it. The score is the score, regardless of what the cues are called. Why are simple, artless descriptive titles like The Trial, The Hunt, The Enterprise, Ilia's Theme, Collision Course, Boarding any more "culturally ascendent" than someone having some fun coming up with goofy titles? There are literally dozens of cues titled "The Kiss" and "The Battle" "The Speech" in my library, more if you count variants with adjectives like first, big, final, president's etc. At least Giacchino's way there's something distinctive about the titles. And it's not as if they record the cues differently depending what they're called on CD. Is Elfman not taking his work seriously because he repeats certain cue titles from score to score?

The point is that it's impossible to remember which cue is which because we can't easily look at it and say, "Oh, this is obviously the scene were such-and-such happens." The albums are way too damn long for the quality of the music we're getting, so I'm not going to sit down and listen to 77 minutes of this shit. I'm going for the one or two good cues and then I'm out. You can look at the track listing for something like Total Recall and instantly...recall the scenes the cues were written for. I'd be OK with him doing the bullshit titles, so long as he also gave titles that were more scene specific. But that would be crazy, I guess.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2014 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I have no problem at all with the track names. I like the fact that Giacchino has a little fun with the music. He's not composing a Requiem Mass here, just the score to a fun summer blockbuster. It doesn't cheapen the music at all. It goes to show that he really enjoys his work.



There ya go.

While the puns get a bit old after awhile, CD after CD... they don't really bother me.

I like to have fun. Enjoy life. And the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Ant   (Member)

Well perhaps something to genuinely be upset about - it looks like the release date will be pushed out.

I noticed last week the UK date changed from 14th July to 21st, but now the American one has changed from 8th July to August 12th.

That seems like a big push push, and it could be incorrect, but it could indeed mean we won't get to hear this in just over a weeks time.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

The point is that it's impossible to remember which cue is which because we can't easily look at it and say, "Oh, this is obviously the scene were such-and-such happens."

I guess I find that mostly they are sufficiently scene-specific. "Gravity of the Situation" is the one where he's learning to deal with his low-gravity situation. "Carter they Come, Carter they Fall" is the one where Carter goes against an army and we learn about his own past. "Earthbound and Down" and "Buying the Space Farm," both quite obvious. "Sab Thaan Pursues the Princess" was difficult, though. Couldn't figure out which scene that one was for!

Without even seeing the movie, I can already guess at these new ones. "Level Plaguing Field"? Probably the infodump scene where we learn how a plague leveled the playing field between apes and humans. "Look Who's Stalking"? Probably a scene involving a stalk or a hunt. These titles are punny, sometimes groanfully so, but they're generally not terribly abstract or difficult to figure out.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Weird how Giacchino's score releases seem to have a habit of getting bumped. Super 8, Star Trek: Into Darkness, now this?

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I hope it's been pushed back to rewrite the track titles, because the movie, so-far, is getting excellent reviews, and the goofy title track names seem really out of touch with a movie that looks to be more than just a "fun," empty-headed summer blockbuster, and more a thoughtful and significant science fiction film. Giacchino's gonzo cue titles disrespect the entire production.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-is-a-daring-and-dazzling-accomplishment

http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/film-review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-1201252833/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/dawn-planet-apes/review/715555

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

"Up With Titles" has much more punch than "Main Titles". Say "The Incredits" and you easily know what movie it's from, can't do that with "End Credits".

Not to mention his summation of the prevailing attitude among TV channels everywhere - "End Credits Can Suck It!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

I hope it's been pushed back to rewrite the track titles, because the movie, so-far, is getting excellent reviews, and the goofy title track names seem really out of touch with a movie that looks to be more than just a "fun," empty-headed summer blockbuster, and more a thoughtful and significant science fiction film. Giacchino's gonzo cue titles disrespect the entire production.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-is-a-daring-and-dazzling-accomplishment

http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/film-review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-1201252833/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/dawn-planet-apes/review/715555


Probably not gonna happen, seeing as it looks like he is just now becoming aware of this very thread, and it's also no secret that some of his actual cues during recording sessions are named the same as the tracks...

https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/483302149246308352

If you have a problem with the cue titles, get over yourselves. It's his album, he can name them whatever the heck he wants. I'm not so shallow that I'm going to avoid an album because I don't like the track names. Besides, it sounds like plenty of thought has gone into his track titles, they're just not your cup of tea.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/483302149246308352

That's cool that he acknowledged that there's a spirited debate about this. I respect that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

I hope it's been pushed back to rewrite the track titles, because the movie, so-far, is getting excellent reviews, and the goofy title track names seem really out of touch with a movie that looks to be more than just a "fun," empty-headed summer blockbuster, and more a thoughtful and significant science fiction film. Giacchino's gonzo cue titles disrespect the entire production.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-is-a-daring-and-dazzling-accomplishment

http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/film-review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-1201252833/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/dawn-planet-apes/review/715555


Wow. We haven't heard the music but we make judgments on the track titles. Whatever. Keep in mind somebody in the production approves this stuff too. Fact: I know of a title in particular that was held back because one of the titles gave away a key plot point. SOMEBODY approves these so if Fox had issues with the track titles, I promise you, they would have fixed it.

Let's get over this and reserve judgment for the music. Are we a community that is just too shallow that we care more about the way this stuff is titled to not give a damn if it's music that lives up to what promises to be one of the better sci fi flicks of the last batch of years?

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

Disliking Giacchino's pun-laden titles does not equate to being shallow. Come on, guys.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Well, we always need something to moan about in our little niche club smile

In all seriousness, for 99.9% of the population who will see this film and not only NOT CARE about the music, they won't even BE AWARE there was music in the film, the film will do just fine on it's own.
Our debating whether silly/punning track titles belittle the solemn nature of the film and it's makers intentions does look a tad trite and maybe a little 'nerd crazy', but at least the composer is getting a laugh at our expense.
I agree what CL mentioned above though, much rather these stupid titles over those annoying spoiler track titles that give away a major reveal before you had a chance to see the bloody film.
Still, I'm looking forward to the film (loved the first one), hope MG's score is good (I enjoyed the Doyle score and was a bit disappointed he didn't return but thank god it was MG rather than a Remote Controller) and I'm still editing the titles when I transfer the CD to my player wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

That's cool that he acknowledged that there's a spirited debate about this. I respect that.

Mr. Giacchino's titles are a playful signature gesture, much like Alfred Hitchcock's cameo appearances in his films.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

I agree what CL mentioned above though, much rather these stupid titles over those annoying spoiler track titles that give away a major reveal before you had a chance to see the bloody film.


Let Qui-Gons Be Qui-Gons.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Disliking Giacchino's pun-laden titles does not equate to being shallow. Come on, guys.

Nor does liking them make us culturally degenerate. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Disliking Giacchino's pun-laden titles does not equate to being shallow. Come on, guys.

What I mean is that it's shallow to judge music by how it's titled on an album. if the music blows us away, who gives a damn what the tracks are called?

Do we collect track titles or are we fans of the music? To me it's the music that matters, not how a composer decides to name his cues.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Weird how Giacchino's score releases seem to have a habit of getting bumped. Super 8, Star Trek: Into Darkness, now this?

I don't know that it's weird. Possibly, because Giacchino produces his albums and is a very busy guy, things get delayed. (I fully grant that this comes from circumstantial evidence only.) Typically, when these delays happen, people here blame Varèse. But this is a Sony release, so people will have to be very clever to blame Varèse this time. (I'm sure it'll happen, though.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Weird how Giacchino's score releases seem to have a habit of getting bumped. Super 8, Star Trek: Into Darkness, now this?

I don't know that it's weird. Possibly, because Giacchino produces his albums and is a very busy guy, things get delayed. (I fully grant that this comes from circumstantial evidence only.) Typically, when these delays happen, people here blame Varèse. But this is a Sony release, so people will have to be very clever to blame Varèse this time. (I'm sure it'll happen, though.)


The typical reason this happens is that the labels have to meet strict release deadlines for physical product shipments. If you can't make the CDs by a certain date, they bump the dates.

Reasons this happen are simple --- mastering delays, artwork not being approved by the studio, producers, even the actors in some cases and even recording the music late.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

Let Qui-Gons Be Qui-Gons.

Good form, sir. Good form.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

 
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