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 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Watching more videos of these people now wanting to tear down Lincoln statues, Ive noticed something different. It seems like this is not about racism anymore. Look at the age difference between those trying to oppose tearing down the Lincoln statue with the ones who are for it. Older folks including the blacks, are trying to talk the younger protesters out of doing so. They say, "You don't know the history behind this statue." "We paid for this statue." These younger crowds are so full of hate that they are blinded and now want everything they were no part of gone. I think they want to be part of history (even destructive part) because they feel like they have nothing to contribute to society. Starting off with good intentions was hijacked by hateful and meaningless intentions where now they are defeating their own cause. The media tries to compare this to the 60s protests where they had purpose. The younger ones want to be acknowledged like this but will only be remembered as a destructive and misled individuals who never learned the real history of their country.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

With all respect to my fellow FSMers, the posts in this thread perfectly illustrate why the protests are happening in the first place.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

With all respect to my fellow FSMers, the posts in this thread perfectly illustrate why the protests are happening in the first place.


How so?

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   afn   (Member)

Watching more videos of these people now wanting to tear down Lincoln statues, Ive noticed something different. It seems like this is not about racism anymore. Look at the age difference between those trying to oppose tearing down the Lincoln statue with the ones who are for it. Older folks including the blacks, are trying to talk the younger protesters out of doing so. They say, "You don't know the history behind this statue." "We paid for this statue." These younger crowds are so full of hate that they are blinded and now want everything they were no part of gone. I think they want to be part of history (even destructive part) because they feel like they have nothing to contribute to society. Starting off with good intentions was hijacked by hateful and meaningless intentions where now they are defeating their own cause. The media tries to compare this to the 60s protests where they had purpose. The younger ones want to be acknowledged like this but will only be remembered as a destructive and misled individuals who never learned the real history of their country.

My thoughts exactly. You pretty much nailed it.

Thank you!!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It's all happenin' at the Zoo. I do believe it. I do believe it's true. Zebras are reactionaries . . .

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

With regard to the specific Lincoln statue in Washington DC, it dates to 1876. Although it was paid for by the contributions of former slaves, they had no creative input into the statue itself, which shows a chained slave kneeling at Lincoln's feet. Reportedly, the sculptor intended to represent a slave breaking his chains as a result of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Even Frederick Douglas was critical of the black man's position in the statue, feeling that he should be shown upright. Still, that didn't prevent Douglas from speaking at the statue's dedication. History is complicated.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

In any case, the scheduled toppling of the Lincoln statue did not occur last night, and the local news praised the "peaceful protest." Whether that was just a change of heart, or had something to do with the fence put up around the statue, the Park Service police in attendance, the National Guard troops on standby, and the Executive Order announcing a 10-year prison sentence for destroying a Federal monument, we'll never know.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Encore plus, nous restons à la maison parce que le monde est de la merde.

C'est la vérité

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I didn't even know it existed until a couple of days ago. I knew about the Lincoln Memorial and would you believe it, that was more than likely due to The Day The Earth Stood Still. Back to where we started.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I was watching "For Life" (Netflix show about a guy wrongly convicted for drug selling) and the main character kept reminding me of bearded GI Joe whom I always thought was black. Turns out bearded Joe wasn't, at least not in comparison to bearded "Talking Black Commander" (uncomfortably sounding like "Talking back commander"). They've all got "kung fu grip" which might sound problematic, but these are war toys so they're already out of bounds.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

With regard to the specific Lincoln statue in Washington DC, it dates to 1876. Although it was paid for by the contributions of former slaves, they had no creative input into the statue itself, which shows a chained slave kneeling at Lincoln's feet. Reportedly, the sculptor intended to represent a slave breaking his chains as a result of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Even Frederick Douglas was critical of the black man's position in the statue, feeling that he should be shown upright. Still, that didn't prevent Douglas from speaking at the statue's dedication. History is complicated.


Okay, that makes much more sense now, because I did not realize it was that particular statue.
It's clearly the wrong imagery you'd want to use to make the point, so I do not mind if that statue comes down.

The sculptor could have simply created a single black figure breaking his chains.
Same message. Easy-peasy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The sculptor could have simply created a single black figure breaking his chains.
Same message. Easy-peasy.



Yeah, I don't think such a statue could have been erected in 1876. Not one that was supposed to honor Lincoln, anyway. But that would be in line with what one of the black activists told an approving crowd at one of the rallies at the statue this week: "No one freed us. We freed ourselves." Would that someone had told Lincoln that the slaves were about to free themselves. A lot of messiness could have been avoided.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

In any case, the scheduled toppling of the Lincoln statue did not occur last night, and the local news praised the "peaceful protest." Whether that was just a change of heart, or had something to do with the fence put up around the statue, the Park Service police in attendance, the National Guard troops on standby, and the Executive Order announcing a 10-year prison sentence for destroying a Federal monument, we'll never know.

Gee if only there was an executive order to put any cop who kills an unarmed POC in jail for 10 years.
The fact the state is more concerned about a hunk of rock shows how perverse the situation is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Gee if only there was an executive order to put any cop who kills an unarmed POC in jail for 10 years.
The fact the state is more concerned about a hunk of rock shows how perverse the situation is.



I think most states have laws against murder and manslaughter.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Yeah, I don't think such a statue could have been erected in 1876. Not one that was supposed to honor Lincoln, anyway. But that would be in line with what one of the black activists told an approving crowd at one of the rallies at the statue this week: "No one freed us. We freed ourselves." Would that someone had told Lincoln that the slaves were about to free themselves. A lot of messiness could have been avoided.


Well, you're certainly right about that
To avoid misinterpretation, the accompanying plaque would certainly have to have explained the Lincoln part of the process--and a smaller illustration on the plaque of Lincoln signing the paperwork in bas-relief would have fit the bill nicely.

"No one freed us. We freed ourselves."

That's so adorably twisted.
For crying out loud, the man only died for that achievement--yet now it means nothing.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Yeah, I don't think such a statue could have been erected in 1876. Not one that was supposed to honor Lincoln, anyway. But that would be in line with what one of the black activists told an approving crowd at one of the rallies at the statue this week: "No one freed us. We freed ourselves." Would that someone had told Lincoln that the slaves were about to free themselves. A lot of messiness could have been avoided.


Well, you're certainly right about that
To avoid misinterpretation, the accompanying plaque would certainly have to have explained the Lincoln part of the process--and a smaller illustration on the plaque of Lincoln signing the paperwork in bas-relief would have fit the bill nicely.

"No one freed us. We freed ourselves."

That's so adorably twisted.
For crying out loud, the man only died for that achievement--yet now it means nothing.


@ Mr. Octoberman: This is what happens when "critical theory" is confused (and worse, being taught as fact) with critical thinking. Very sad world we're preparing for the next generation.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Gee if only there was an executive order to put any cop who kills an unarmed POC in jail for 10 years.
The fact the state is more concerned about a hunk of rock shows how perverse the situation is.



I think most states have laws against murder and manslaughter.



I'm gobsmacked by that response. Have you been paying attention to what this is ALL about?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Gee if only there was an executive order to put any cop who kills an unarmed POC in jail for 10 years.
The fact the state is more concerned about a hunk of rock shows how perverse the situation is.



I think most states have laws against murder and manslaughter.



I'm gobsmacked by that response. Have you been paying attention to what this is ALL about?



Yet even without an Executive Order, Officer Derek Chauvin is sitting in jail. Can't imagine what he's been charged with.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yeah, we got one. Mission accomplished.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Yeah, we got one. Mission accomplished.


Well, when a statue-toppler can credibly claim that he believed the statue was pulling a gun on him or that his or someone else's life was in imminent danger, I suspect he'll avoid jail time as well.

 
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