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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

I prefer the first films in all three trilogies. Don't really know why -- think it might have something to do with the world building aspect that is strongest in them, which is much more important to me than any particular storyline, referencing, degree of "darkness" or whatever.

It's really difficult to care. TFA is probably the most photocopied nostalgia of any SW film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)


Star Wars is more interesting to me. The best, Rogue One, was the least talked about including the trilogy.

Maaaaaaaaybe RO, but otherwise Star Wars movies have been in decline since '81. I liked what RedLetterMedia said about it: for as big a universe you'd think it is, it's really a very small universe to work with in terms of characters and storyline.


It's interesting that Andor is experiencing the same fate. A well-received, thoughtful and precise, but seemingly more cult beloved Star Wars property just like its predecessor Rogue One (an excellent Star Wars film). I'm a SW fan, and I have been since taking my first gasps of media at a very young age. But at some point you have to accept that truth that there are more bad Star Wars movies than good ones. And many people would say the same of Indiana Jones movies too.


I had to quit after Last Jedi. You follow up TFA with a director who hates SW. Then that movie is followed by the other director who doesn't care about SW too much more. After seeing the reviews on TROS, nah think I'll pass. Looks like it's a treasure hunt with some really bad writing with coincidence and luck.

Honestly I think SW fandom is the worst. It's done more harm to the franchise than good. It's the biggest franchise, and yet it has produced little.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think TFA solved the 'nostalgia'/reference thing just right. As opposed to TROS, which tried to jampack everything into too short a timeframe. But again, those things aren't really important to me as much as the world building aspect.

SOLO and ROGUE ONE (despite the horrendous score) are better films than any of them anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

I think TFA solved the 'nostalgia'/reference thing just right. As opposed to TROS, which tried to jampack everything into too short a timeframe. But again, those things aren't really important to me as much as the world building aspect.

SOLO and ROGUE ONE (despite the horrendous score) are better films than any of them anyway.


How do you solve the nostalgia thing when the director's decision is a business model based on older/younger or parent/kid? And that leads to Rey just knowing the force with lightning speed. An escape pod, bar scene, or celebration all looking like ANH. You do understand right that "fan service" basically means photocopying because TFA had the biggest outlier for profits which hinged on that heavy nostalgic you can call "reference" points but is what I said in my first sentence?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't really care if it's a "business decision" or not. I loved coming back to those places, and seeing some old faces again. I don't think it ever became too self-aware, though. The story was so focussed and lean, it all felt organical. Unlike TROS. And loved the mix of old places and new places, both part of the world building bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Just as long as we never speak of "The Last Jedi" again. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

THE LAST JEDI deserves credit for pushing some boundaries, and being more in the uncompromising hands of an auteur than a capable, but fairly by-the-numbers journeyman like Abrams or whoever. I like it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I never liked Han Solo.

There. I said it. And I bet a lot of people don't like him either given the film's performance.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

It’s no secret that most of the folks posting on this side don’t like the current state of Star Wars (or Marvel, or Star Trek, or Bond, or movies or TV in general…). I’ve found Star Wars to be hit or miss since the 80's.

Rogue One – loved it. A little slow at the start but a really good prequel to the original film which had the balls to kill the main characters. Loved the score as well.

Solo – FUN! He cast was great and it was just a really fun space opera. My only issue was that every main bit of backstory in Han’s life happened in such a short time. And that he couldn’t jst be named “Han Solo” he had to get an Ellis Island origin. Ugh. Another great score.

The Last Jedi – LOVED it. It had brass balls, subverted expectations and made Luke interesting. Every version of Luke in the EU post Jedi was boring. There’s nothing less interesting to me than the hero who accomplishes his journey. He needed a new one. Luke failed Ben Solo in a moment of weakness and started this nightmare. Wonderful. Mark Hamill delivered his strongest performance. As far as the sequels, the otherwise were disappointing, especially TROS: Finn was squandered (his character held so much promise) and all of the false shocks were tiresome. It was lazy. TLJ was far from perfect, but it tried to do something interesting and I feel it succeeded more than the two films surrounding it.



Whatcha talking about? There's a whole series called Andor. A minor character in the footnote of Star Wars canon who gets killed off in his own movie. And the Mandalorian, the Boba Fett knock off because Disney didn't have the balls to just give us a Boba Fett series.


Didja miss The Book of Boba Fett? It was terrible.

I don't understand the appeal of the character. He didn't do anything cool, he was GIVEN Han Solo after he followed him to Bespin. He then was dispatched like a chump in the next film (his scream was hilarious). He was a barely there clone kid in ATTC. Even Lucas doesn't understand why fans loved this guy. And when they finally made him a TV Series, it was awful. Be careful what you wish for.

Andor at least had an entire film and was instrumental in the delivery of the Death Star plans. Fett is no less a footnote.

Boba Fett's costume was his strength and the smartly just gave it to another character and made a passable show. Grogu was the saving grace of The Mandalorian and stopping now would be perfect.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It’s no secret that most of the folks posting on this side don’t like the current state of Star Wars (or Marvel, or Star Trek, or Bond, or movies or TV in general…). I’ve found Star Wars to be hit or miss since the 80's.


Raises hand!

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I prefer the first films in all three trilogies. Don't really know why -- think it might have something to do with the world building aspect that is strongest in them, which is much more important to me than any particular storyline, referencing, degree of "darkness" or whatever.

It's really difficult to care. TFA is probably the most photocopied nostalgia of any SW film.


It's JJ once again ripping off something that was done a hundred times better before and thinking he can "remake" it and get credit for being some kind of great director or something. Some argue it was a soft reboot, maybe there's some truth in that but I don't care. Its one thing to take a bad movie and remaking it better, its another to take a classic movie and copy and paste it. It's insultingly lazy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Also as a side note and in reference to my Gear Porn thread. The art design for these films suck. The ship designs suck. Nothing strikes me as well designed or cool to look at. I still buy classic Star Wars stuff, but there's nothing new since Disney took over Star Wars I'm interesting in buying.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Sorry just won't watch it so.....after seeing several reviews of TROS I get the impression it's 'the roller coaster ride that never ends.' Pack in as much stuff as possible. The YT reviews are often better LOL. I'm just stunned by how JJ can use something and then ditch it like it has no meaning. You can apparently have force life, or teleport a light saber when needed, or anything plot wise w/o any need for basic SW rules. 1000 destroyers??? No problem. They can all be taken down with ease basically. I'm watching Mauler, Vito, etc. Can't remember all the reviews. Like Mauler he goes through every scene and dissects the problems. And I see why you don't want to be too critical of every tiny detail but like he goes through many scenes and they're just not even semi-plausible. Like no explanation for anything often. It's just fast and keep moving on to the next action sequence. Like JJ took on the trilogy project as someone said without a road map. I mean the guy can shoot action I have no doubt. I dunno. I'm just stunned how you can go fast forward like that without a little gravity. Chewy dies. No, he didn't. It was for nothing. You can't just kill characters and then bring em back whenever you want. Like you don't just get to happen to stumble upon a mcguffin in a cave somewhere by chance when your search radius is an entire galaxy. You don't get to jump Kylo's ship and then decide ah nah no battle scene with them comes after that. I'm just floored by the lack of restraint or I dunno like the lack of knowing their own characters' history. Like thousands of resistant ships don't get to like hyperdrive into one spot all at once. Surely there'd be a catastrophic accident there. Nope, no problem.

My impression is this and Rian's film are the worst in the entire SW cannon. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: JJ's I think assistant said this would've been better as two films.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Some of the funnier memories...

When Mr Plinkett described the jam-packed battle scenes as Lucas' way of getting more action figures on the shelves. 'Remember those fond days of our beloved figures from the original SW? Gone!' Hahaha.

So what do you like about the new movie?
The light sabers are cool.

Jar Jar's films being described as weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Mr Plinkett showing Lucas struggling at his desk with the screenplay.
Showing a monitor being brought to Lucas because he was too lazy to get up.
Showing the film room people looking bewildered. Showing Lucas looking up like like gawd what do I do now?!?!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Some of the funnier memories...

Showing the film room people looking bewildered. Showing Lucas looking up like like gawd what do I do now?!?!


Funny. I was thinking about Mr Plinkett prequel reviews the other day (yes, I know - I have no life)

I have never watched those ‘behind the scenes’ extras that were included with the DVD releases but I was thinking "Of course, RLM edited them to look as bad as possible”. Including people looking baffled and bewildered after the initial viewing of The Phantom Menace.

But then there is the other part of me that says....maybe that’s how it really went down.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Some of the funnier memories...

Showing the film room people looking bewildered. Showing Lucas looking up like like gawd what do I do now?!?!


Funny. I was thinking about Mr Plinkett prequel reviews the other day (yes, I know - I have no life)

I have never watched those ‘behind the scenes’ extras that were included with the DVD releases but I was thinking "Of course, RLM edited them to look as bad as possible”. Including people looking baffled and bewildered after the initial viewing of The Phantom Menace.

But then there is the other part of me that says....maybe that’s how it really went down.


I liked the circle diagram. Where he takes fan theory about the connections between the first trilogy and the prequels and spins it on his head. LOL.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Keep in mind, everyone thought the original STAR WARS was going to be a bewildering flop after viewing its initial edit too.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Keep in mind, everyone thought the original STAR WARS was going to be a bewildering flop after viewing its initial edit too.

But nobody holds the prequels in high regard today.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Keep in mind, everyone thought the original STAR WARS was going to be a bewildering flop after viewing its initial edit too.

But nobody holds the prequels in high regard today.


Did we ever?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Keep in mind, everyone thought the original STAR WARS was going to be a bewildering flop after viewing its initial edit too.

But nobody holds the prequels in high regard today.


Did we ever?


Through the 2000s I'm guessing. I imagine that was one reason why Plinkett created the reviews.

 
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