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 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

In 1979, a friend of mine was a big winner on the $10,000 Pyramid, winning not only the money, but a color television, as well. He said I should do the show, and because he had been a winner, I got an audition. I can't remember where it was, but it was some second-story studio office in New York. There were a lot of people there, in a small space. The first thing we did was be interviewed by this nice, but also tough as nails middle-aged woman, whose name I cannot remember. I do recall that she kept referring to my friend as "Tony" (his name is Anthony and he never, ever went by Tony). After the interview, which also consisted of a brief round of the game with her, where I had to give clues to "what people stuck on a elevator might say", I moved to a mock set and played with an actual partner. When all was said and done, I was told I was on a short-list, and would "probably" be called to do the show. However, the show close-up, and even went off the air for a bit, then resurfaced in Hollywood! I did get notice to respond to if I wanted to remain on their short list, but would have to get myself to LA and so forth, and I just never answered the letter. As for What's My Line, I loved it. Stayed up every Sunday night to watch it. My mother always would state what a bunch of pretentious and smug individuals she found the panel to be, but I loved them. I still want to be one of them!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

I've adored game shows for as long as I could remember. In fact, I remember being fascinated by JEOPARDY! when I was six or seven years old, and marveling at the intelligence of its' contestants. "How does one remember so much?", I remember thinking. In fact, one of my early ambitions was to be a contestant on the show (win or lose, just so long as I got on the panel!), and to date, I've had three unsuccessful auditions for the show.

(I missed being a contestant on THE WEAKEST LINK by a very narrow margin, indeed. They went for someone more handsome than I. Like that's difficult, LOL. A friend of mine was on THE GONG SHOW, but Rex Reed gonged him. I think he takes perverse pleasure in that, even now.)

I totally love WHAT'S MY LINE?, and was crushed when GSN took it out of their late night block of programming.

But, it was the product of a different era, where people could hold an audience just by the power of their wit. And it was an era where Broadway stars routinely showed up on television, thanks to programs like WHAT'S MY LINE? and THE ED SULLIVAN SHOW, thus classing up the joint for millions of Americans. It's a pity something like that can't make it to the big time any longer.

And, I believe Martin Gabel to be one of the luckiest men on earth, because he was married to Arlene Francis, one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever seen or heard of. (Other than my girlfriend, of course.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The first thing we did was be interviewed by this nice, but also tough as nails middle-aged woman, whose name I cannot remember.

That would have been Edythe Chan, the contestant coordinator for Bob Stewart Productions for many years. (When you get to be a game show historian, the names of these production people on the credits always stay burned in your memory). smile

Stewart was the last of the major game show producers to do all his shows in New York, hanging on through the end of the 70s when Pyramid was cancelled by ABC and then he finally joined all the other producers who had gone west years earlier.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

Yes! That was her name. Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Exactly one episode, hosted by Blyden is in the collectors trade circuit and I do have it. I remember Kurt Kaznar ("The Time Tunnel") being one of the panelists, and Janet Leigh the main guest.

Some game shows aren't as well represented as others because (1) they were produced by a company that never had its shows licensed for repeats on GSN or elsewhere or (2) the episodes were wiped out of existence by the networks and the production companies were too short-sighted to keep their own copies. Case in point is how almost all 60s daytime game shows are gone with only a few exceptions and we have the odd case of how episodes of the CBS daytime version of Password from 66-67 (its only year in color) exist but not the 1971-75 ABC daytime episodes.


One of the things I remember from this show was its distinctive music that opened and closed the show.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2010 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

All available for downloading here, BTW! smile (And yes, this is legitimate. The operator of this site secured the rights to do this)

http://www.tvmusicmuseum.com/documents/56.html

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2010 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I got a kick out of this- no one adored this woman as much as I did as a kid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtNy5HNhZZk

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2010 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

If you want some laughs, this is your ticket!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYIghXhgdM

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2010 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

That clip is also the reason why they didn't dare use Groucho more than two or three times in a five year span as a guest panelist, because while that zaniness was great one time, it would never have flown every week.

After the death of Fred Allen in March 1956 (the show following his death as well as that of Dorothy Kilgallen in November 1965 are quite memorable for their somber air), the show used only a male guest panelist in the fourth seat for the remaining 11 years, always trying to carefully balance from week to week what kind of personality to use. Martin Gabel (Mr. Arlene Francis) was eventually used the most often, but you would see them range from serious actors and even on occasion politicians to off the wall comedians like Groucho and Victor Borge. It was also great when Steve Allen would return to the show after having been a regular from 53-54.

Worst guest panelist? Probably Errol Flynn who fell in the category of big name who didn't bother to read the briefing manual on how to play the game coherently or who had never watched it before to get a handle on it. Wally Cox also bombed out big in his second and final guest panel shot (after being much better his first go a round), showing none of the flair he would later demonstrate on "Hollywood Squares" (which just goes to show that not all games were alike for celebs).

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2010 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN- The Great Jack Benny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1fScPVKndI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFF_tI434o

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2010 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

What a great way to end the original run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPW591Xfaw

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2010 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Always the emergency backup plan in case a mystery guest suddenly bailed out at the last minute but one they never had to utilize at all.

It was a great last episode (in contrast to the quiet whimper that greeted the last episode of "I've Got A Secret" earlier that same year) and a fitting closure to a TV classic.

John Daly afterwards was never seen on TV again except for his participation in the 1975 25th anniversary special of "What's My Line?". He died in 1991 and rated just a fifteen second mention on ABC's evening news that night, the program that he had been the first ever TV anchor of. In a sense John Daly was a victim of having lived a full long life past the point when there were enough left to appreciate his legacy in the field of broadcasting.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2010 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Always the emergency backup plan in case a mystery guest suddenly bailed out at the last minute but one they never had to utilize at all.

It was a great last episode (in contrast to the quiet whimper that greeted the last episode of "I've Got A Secret" earlier that same year) and a fitting closure to a TV classic.

John Daly afterwards was never seen on TV again except for his participation in the 1975 25th anniversary special of "What's My Line?". He died in 1991 and rated just a fifteen second mention on ABC's evening news that night, the program that he had been the first ever TV anchor of. In a sense John Daly was a victim of having lived a full long life past the point when there were enough left to appreciate his legacy in the field of broadcasting.


He was a great host. I loved the way he said, "Will you come in, mystery challenger, and SIGN IN, PLEASE!"

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2010 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

There was one hilarious moment in 1964 when John inadvertantly revealed the Mystery Guest's identity to the rest of the panel. Old WML panelist Steve Allen was the MG that night, having just taken over as the host of "I've Got A Secret" and after the second question when it was Bennett's turn on the panel, John accidentally said, "Mr. Allen" instead of "Mr. Cerf".

John also created a mischievous bit of hilarity one night when the final contestant was a lady barber, and he then said with just a faint twinkle, "We'll begin the questinioning with......Mr. Burrows."

This was playwright Abe Burrows, who was quite devoid of hair, and immediately the audience began to roar with raucous laughter (to the bewilderment of Arlene wondering what could be so funny) but the look on Burrows face immediately revealed he knew what it was all about.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2010 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

There was one hilarious moment in 1964 when John inadvertantly revealed the Mystery Guest's identity to the rest of the panel. Old WML panelist Steve Allen was the MG that night, having just taken over as the host of "I've Got A Secret" and after the second question when it was Bennett's turn on the panel, John accidentally said, "Mr. Allen" instead of "Mr. Cerf".

John also created a mischievous bit of hilarity one night when the final contestant was a lady barber, and he then said with just a faint twinkle, "We'll begin the questinioning with......Mr. Burrows."

This was playwright Abe Burrows, who was quite devoid of hair, and immediately the audience began to roar with raucous laughter (to the bewilderment of Arlene wondering what could be so funny) but the look on Burrows face immediately revealed he knew what it was all about.


That made the show so joyfully spontaneous, and often hilarious!

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2010 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Here's Raquel Welch in 1966- if ths doesn't date her, nothing will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyqxnYqdhQ

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2010 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Nothing ever dates Raquel! smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2010 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Here's Julie Newmar- pre- Catwoman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcRLuJ95Flc

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2010 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Here is a complete episode, and damned funny, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjtB77cP3XU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdNavzI5jAM -
but the commercial break in it is painful to sit through-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvs6Ns6vpAw

And get a load of that whopping $7.59 rebate offer- and don't forget to pick up some Stoppetes deodorant.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2010 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

That may be the only time in the history of the show that there were three female panelists the same night. Interestingly, this particular episode was never aired on GSN because the original master kinescope was lost and is not in the Goodson-Todman library but this backup kinescope copy which was originally made for Lucy herself I think did survive and that's why it's been part of so many Public Domain DVD releases of old game show episodes.

The hilarity that arises from the questioning for the gentleman who sells maternity clothes is a classic case though of how WML and other panel shows like this in the early 50s were not immune to the kind of rigging that was also prevalent in other game shows. In his book, Gil Fates admitted that in these early days of the show, they would often give their funny man on the panel (in this case Steve Allen) a list of questions for him to ask on one spot that would always be guaranteed to get a "yes" answer but in the process would be "going down the wrong track". At no time was Steve ever told what the occupation was, but it was a way of trying to milk things for laughs until finally at some point, one big question to complete the "wrong track" way of thinking would get a "no" and then the game could proceed "straight".

The ultimate proof of this quasi-rigging I saw when the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS that Steve used on one WML contestant in early 1954 for a contestant with the line "repairs zippers" were used once again ten months later on another panel show "The Name's The Same" where the object was to guess the name of a contestant which could be a thing and in this case was "A. Zipper." Gene Rayburn was the panelist in that case, asking the same questions with the same laughs and the same topper that got a "no" before the game proceeded.

When the uproar over the quiz show scandals broke out, the word immediately went down at Goodson-Todman to stop this scripted element of the show altogether. Even though it in no way involved rigging of game play to the detriment of the contestant, they didn't want the slightest suspicion to come over the operation any longer.

 
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