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 Posted:   Oct 21, 2021 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

I find that both The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill were Bond movies that came before their time. After the Roger Moore era I think Dalton’s Bond was too edgy for fans to accept. I really like both films and think they are underrated. Licence to Kill is especially a really solid movie.

You are not wrong, sir. smile

Greg


Both are among my favorite movies in the series.
Even with a more mundane 90's typical action plot of hero vs. powerful druglord and suffering from massive budget cuts Licence To Kill is fantastic.
Robert Davi makes Sanches one of the more memorable villains in the series, the henchmen are also great and Carey Lowell is one of the best Bond Girls and Q having a larger role than ever was great. And the action sequences are spectacular and well integrated to the plot (not like some of the action in TWINE for example, that simply happens out of nowhere - like the ski chase). I also love Kamen's score for the movie, the weak point was starting a trend of the composer not being involved in the title song.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

I find that both The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill were Bond movies that came before their time. After the Roger Moore era I think Dalton’s Bond was too edgy for fans to accept. I really like both films and think they are underrated. Licence to Kill is especially a really solid movie.

You are not wrong, sir. smile

Greg


Both are among my favorite movies in the series.
Even with a more mundane 90's typical action plot of hero vs. powerful druglord and suffering from massive budget cuts Licence To Kill is fantastic.
Robert Davi makes Sanches one of the more memorable villains in the series, the henchmen are also great and Carey Lowell is one of the best Bond Girls and Q having a larger role than ever was great. And the action sequences are spectacular and well integrated to the plot (not like some of the action in TWINE for example, that simply happens out of nowhere - like the ski chase). I also love Kamen's score for the movie, the weak point was starting a trend of the composer not being involved in the title song.


I think Kamen's Gun Barrel and arrangement of the James Bond theme is one of the best, if not the best, of the entire series.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Bond has just moved with the times.
The Connery Bond of the 60's was boorish, sexist, misogynist.
Roger Moore was campy and spoofish, totally unbelievable and still sexist/misogynist...maybe a bit less so.
Then he changed again for the Dalthon's and Brosnan's too.
And he changed again, to suit the times, for the Craig films.
People bleating about one against the other, for better or worse, are just stuck in their time capsule, missing the good ol' days.
Things move on. You just gotta move on with them (or stop watching).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Bond has just moved with the times.
The Connery Bond of the 60's was boorish, sexist, misogynist.
Roger Moore was campy and spoofish, totally unbelievable and still sexist/misogynist...maybe a bit less so.
Then he changed again for the Dalthon's and Brosnan's too.
And he changed again, to suit the times, for the Craig films.
People bleating about one against the other, for better or worse, are just stuck in their time capsule, missing the good ol' days.
Things move on. You just gotta move on with them (or stop watching).


I don't think of myself as "stuck in my time capsule." I'd just like one of these movies not to be joylessly grim and hopeless again. Then again I feel like that can be said about much of current cinema.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

Bond has just moved with the times.
The Connery Bond of the 60's was boorish, sexist, misogynist.
Roger Moore was campy and spoofish, totally unbelievable and still sexist/misogynist...maybe a bit less so.
Then he changed again for the Dalthon's and Brosnan's too.
And he changed again, to suit the times, for the Craig films.
People bleating about one against the other, for better or worse, are just stuck in their time capsule, missing the good ol' days.
Things move on. You just gotta move on with them (or stop watching).


If I could like this post 1000 times, I would!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Well, the producers missed one more opportunity to connect to the 69 Bond. Five seconds before the missiles impacted he should have quipped 'This never happened to the other fellas!'

Daniel Craig had it written into his contract that his Bond wasn’t allowed to be humorous.


You know that such a ridiculous assertion only further exposes you as someone disregarding facts and maintaining that your personal opinion should be the better guideline.

Or did you handle Craig‘s legal affairs?

But I leave you and Mr. Park alone now to „discuss“ your grievances about the Craig era while NTTD collects huge sums of money from interested and excited audiences.


But YOUR opinion is superior to ours so you MUST be right because you rely on “facts”.

Sorry, but I find your comments at best pompous and at worst utterly moronic.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

The James Bond franchise has some of the worst trolls considering it has been a nearly 60 year old franchise and any knowledge of any factor of the character and franchise can be quickly and easily cross referenced on the internet. The trolls think they retain some unique ownership of the character which is a lark to say the least.

The Bond films are certainly divisive. But just because someone has an alternative view to you, or anyone else, doesn’t automatically make them trolls.

If people were to say “all Bond movies are badly made garbage, with zero merit” then that would indeed be trolling. But offering cogent arguments about the respective merits of different Bond eras is certainly not “trolling” by any means.

Personally I am sick and tired of being labelled a “troll” just because I have a different view to others about the Bond movies, and I’m also pretty fed up with a few narrow minded egotists here who seemingly do not want interesting debate but just want everyone to agree with them. If anything, they are the trolls.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Well, the producers missed one more opportunity to connect to the 69 Bond. Five seconds before the missiles impacted he should have quipped 'This never happened to the other fellas!'

Daniel Craig had it written into his contract that his Bond wasn’t allowed to be humorous.


You know that such a ridiculous assertion only further exposes you as someone disregarding facts and maintaining that your personal opinion should be the better guideline.

Or did you handle Craig‘s legal affairs?


Jesus Christ it must be terrible being you. To quote Saavik from Star Trek II - “humour - it is a difficult concept”.

Or perhaps more appropriately, I should quote Marty McFly “Lighten up, jerk”.

PS Since you love quoting “facts” at people, perhaps you can tell me precisely the wording in Daniel Craig’s contracts. You know, to disprove my “ridiculous assertion” and all that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)



But I leave you and Mr. Park alone now to „discuss“ your grievances about the Craig era while NTTD collects huge sums of money from interested and excited audiences.


Ah yes, a movie making “huge sums of money”. Always the hallmark of high quality film-making. Hence why the Transformers movies are regarded as being up there with the works of Kubrick, Kurosawa and Welles.

Not great at this debating lark are you? Mass debating however, you seem to excel at.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)



I don't think of myself as "stuck in my time capsule." I'd just like one of these movies not to be joylessly grim and hopeless again. Then again I feel like that can be said about much of current cinema.


I absolutely agree. I don’t mind serious, even grim movies but I also have so much shit in my life that I want to be able to escape and actually be cheered up by a film, not depressed by it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

I find that both The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill were Bond movies that came before their time. After the Roger Moore era I think Dalton’s Bond was too edgy for fans to accept. I really like both films and think they are underrated. Licence to Kill is especially a really solid movie.

You are not wrong, sir. smile

Greg


Both are among my favorite movies in the series.
Even with a more mundane 90's typical action plot of hero vs. powerful druglord and suffering from massive budget cuts Licence To Kill is fantastic.
Robert Davi makes Sanches one of the more memorable villains in the series, the henchmen are also great and Carey Lowell is one of the best Bond Girls and Q having a larger role than ever was great. And the action sequences are spectacular and well integrated to the plot (not like some of the action in TWINE for example, that simply happens out of nowhere - like the ski chase). I also love Kamen's score for the movie, the weak point was starting a trend of the composer not being involved in the title song.


I love LTK. It is gritty but still humorous, has fantastic action set pieces (the tanker stuff at the end is amazing), a great score, a lovely Bond girl, some ace Q lines, wonderful baddies (Sanchez is almost likeable - in the Scaramanga mould) and in Dalton a Bond who was actually close to Fleming’s 007 unlike the Daniel “let’s pretend he is close to the literary 007 even though he is nothing like it” Craig.

In fact the only bad thing is that fucking winking fish which is the Dalton equivalent of Sir Rog’s double-take pigeon. But I’d take a dozen blinking fishes over all the many scenes of Daniel Craig sulking around.

So wish Dalton had got to do a third Bond.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



So wish Dalton had got to do a third Bond.


I absolutely loved Dalton in the role. Post Connery, he was the most perfect fit for it. He had steel, charm, good looks but not a pretty boy, amazing acting chops and could toss off a quip with the right mix of humor and irony. He is often overlooked and down the list of Best Bonds. but he really got a raw deal following Roger's antics.

You know what I miss? The "every two years" release of a Bond epic. When the lead actor did other films between Bond flicks, not the other way around. We lost that with the Craig era. Brosnan seemed perfectly happy making them on a routine schedule. Personally, I think that's kind of necessary if you don't want your lead to age out before three or four films are done. It also gave fans something concrete to look forward to. I'm sitting here, wishing they'd start looking for the next actor because that would really put my mind at ease about the series.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)



So wish Dalton had got to do a third Bond.


I absolutely loved Dalton in the role. Post Connery, he was the most perfect fit for it. He had steel, charm, good looks but not a pretty boy, amazing acting chops and could toss off a quip with the right mix of humor and irony. He is often overlooked and down the list of Best Bonds. but he really got a raw deal following Roger's antics.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2021 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)


You know what I miss? The "every two years" release of a Bond epic. When the lead actor did other films between Bond flicks, not the other way around. We lost that with the Craig era. Brosnan seemed perfectly happy making them on a routine schedule. Personally, I think that's kind of necessary if you don't want your lead to age out before three or four films are done. It also gave fans something concrete to look forward to. I'm sitting here, wishing they'd start looking for the next actor because that would really put my mind at ease about the series.


The wider space between Bond/Craig films wasn't something they planned, I think.
- "Quantom of Solace" arrived 2 years after "Casino Royale" after all (was rushed during the writer's strikes)
- "Skylfall" 4 years later, but it was because of MGM financial difficulties at the time (That's why Del Toro gave up on "The Hobbit", tired of waiting)
- "Spectre" (+ 3 years) was initially supposed to arrive sonner, but they decided to wait for Sam Mendes that had theater commitments and initially declined to return because of that.
- "No Time to Die" was supposed to be 4 years later (then delays because of Boyle replacement and pandemic), that was clearly because Craig broke his leg and was exhausted after "Spectre" and they waited for him.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2021 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

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 Posted:   Oct 24, 2021 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Coco314, good point!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Very good score from Hans Zimmer and Steve Mazzaro.

This is clearly a tribute to John Barry and David Arnold, both gentlemen scored 16 bond films !

Matera is a perfect example. With echoes of "City of Lovers" from Casino Royale and OHMSS, of course.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2021 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)



So wish Dalton had got to do a third Bond.


I have thought about what a third Dalton film would look like. Since we got Brosnan in GoldenEye I am glad we did not get a third Dalton film. Nothing against Dalton as I made clear I liked his movies. GoldenEye just happens to be my all time favorite James Bond movie. Pierce Brosnan was perfect for that film in my opinion. I'm glad it worked out like it did.

What would Sean Bean have been like as James Bond? I've always wondered that too.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2021 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

Really like this one. After a fantastic start with "Casino Royale" , I found it quite depressing that such a great new choice in Daniel Craig was making movies that were progressively worse ("Quantum of Solace" was brought down by the epileptic editing, "Skyfall" its Nolan imitations and the finale didn't make it for me, "Spectre" suffered from the desire to retcon everything).
Glad and surprised that this opus - despite its troubled production - offers a generous plot and characters with confidence - and the long running time never felt long for me as I felt constantly engaged. It's not perfect for sure - The villain is underwritten, although I think Malek nailed it by avoiding to ham it up like Javier Bardem, and was much more effective than Kristoff Waltz - the action sequences were too gunfight heavy (though the intro was great as always and actually the interrogation scene was much better than an action scene). Lea Seydoux, one of the spectacular misfires of the previous movie is actually quite good (and the characters much better written). 

As for the music, I think Zimmer did a very deft job as having his style merging with the Bond sound (with the sole exception of "I'll be right back" that sounds too much from the Zimmer playbook as far as "Backdraft"). The quotes were tasteful, the fact that the song was fully integrated was a huge plus to the love story (and a welcome change), and the motive used either the action scenes or the omnious bad guy music was very fine. Good job, Hans.

After actors that either didn't have proper runs (Lazenby, Dalton) or finished on some of their worst mission (Connery, Brosnan, Moore), glad to see that Craig finished his on such a high note. 

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2021 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

I love the fact that he took a short section of the James Bond theme that has largely been ignored and turned it into an action motif. Brilliant Hans!

 
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