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 Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • As I said, I seem to be in the extreme minority (though I know I've seen others talk about it now and again) and yes I do understand that sometimes (though not always) it's 'include or or the release doesn't happen at all)', but I just continue to fail to understand the draw. Especially when there's plenty of releases that don't have them yet people don't seem to clamor for the album (like for instance Jurassic Park or Batman Returns).

    In general, I just don't understand the fascination with the original album programs, in general. The music is what's important. I mean, I can't imagine a release that featured a second disc of a score never released before with "here's what it might have looked like were it released at the time of the film!" and being the same music would go over too well. So why does it matter that it was released?


    I haven't been keeping score (heh), but some of the album presentations are rerecordings, and therefore valuable of remastering attention.

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     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 10:05 AM   
     By:   Grecchus   (Member)

    I just hope there is enough will between Williams, Lucasfilm, and Disney to put the work in to give all these scores the preservation and presentation they deserve.

    This.

    The first three have been around for longer, so those mag tapes have been subjected to higher levels of environmental degradation. You know the rest.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
     By:   Captain_Kaos (no Giacchino fan)   (Member)

    I would buy IV - VI "Ultimate Editions". Although I'm happy with the Sony 2 CD-Sets, I was quiet dissatisfied with "The Imperial March". It sounded weak, like Vader with a sniff, that's why I ordered lately Sony's "The Best of Star Wars" CD from the 1990's. I remember myself, that here the march is much more powerful (maybe a better mix or a new recording, I don't know that).
    But a question: is such a good idea with "Star Wars Ultimate Editions" a real possibility? Beside the mandatory licence troubles... are there tapes with alternates and tapes with better recordings? I think Sony did a good job with their 2 CD-Sets. Maybe they used the best stuff available already?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 10:57 AM   
     By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

    The Sony releases were from 2004, and it's possible to get much better sound today from archival materials. Much would depend on the condition of the original tapes, which from what understand is (at least in the case of Empire) not good at all.


    I would buy IV - VI "Ultimate Editions". Although I'm happy with the Sony 2 CD-Sets, I was quiet dissatisfied with "The Imperial March". It sounded weak, like Vader with a sniff, that's why I ordered lately Sony's "The Best of Star Wars" CD from the 1990's. I remember myself, that here the march is much more powerful (maybe a better mix or a new recording, I don't know that).
    But a question: is such a good idea with "Star Wars Ultimate Editions" a real possibility? Beside the mandatory licence troubles... are there tapes with alternates and tapes with better recordings? I think Sony did a good job with their 2 CD-Sets. Maybe they used the best stuff available already?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 5:10 PM   
     By:   stravinsky   (Member)

    What I would love is a release of the original trilogy scores which each and every cue separated. Even down to little cues like the one where R2D2 & C3P0 walk back into Luke's home after the Jawa's droid sale (I love that little snippet of music) or those three cues which comprise "Learn about the Force". Similarly it would be a joy to hear the Tusken Raider music separated as well as the haunting cue where Ben speaks to Luke about Dagobah on Hoth. I guess it might never happen that way though. What do any of you think?
    With each and every release of these scores up and until the 1997 Special Edition sets it felt like getting to know the score all over again. A final definitive release of this music a la Superman & ET with cues released in such a way would be a wee dream come true for me.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 6:52 PM   
     By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



    I haven't been keeping score (heh), but some of the album presentations are rerecordings, and therefore valuable of remastering attention.


    In which case I'll be the first person to say "yes please". FSM's Bullitt for instance is a great example off the top of my head -- it's hardly redundant. The fact that someone mentions this are thinking it's even an issue it's pretty boggling. But a case like, say, E.T....I wish they had just added the album versions that were different and no the whole album despite the fact it'd have been a shorter release all along.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 7:09 PM   
     By:   lacoq   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 8:45 PM   
     By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

    That wasn't remotely the direction in which this thread proceeded.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 10:33 PM   
     By:   lacoq   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

    That wasn't remotely the direction in which this thread proceeded.



    Boy we are touchy! In fact the quality of previous incarnations was touched upon so is it not ok to ask my question?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 3:31 AM   
     By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

    I prefer the 2-CD Special Edition from 1997. Just about everyone else seems to prefer the Arista Box, even though it is incomplete and uses the wrong takes in some instances. Soundwise, they are about the same to my ears in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope. Others might feel differently.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 7:30 AM   
     By:   Marcato   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

    I prefer the 2-CD Special Edition from 1997. Just about everyone else seems to prefer the Arista Box, even though it is incomplete and uses the wrong takes in some instances. Soundwise, they are about the same to my ears in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope. Others might feel differently.



    All wrong takes must be included in the bonus section - including the main Title takes. - cantina band 1 + 2 Can be spread #1 Can be on the OST if complete and original take - #2 Can be in the bonus section

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 7:40 AM   
     By:   Halloween_Jack   (Member)

    To save a lot of time sifting through all the previous posts on this subject: was the final consensus on the best sounding original trilogy tracks the Arista Box?

    I prefer the 2-CD Special Edition from 1997. Just about everyone else seems to prefer the Arista Box, even though it is incomplete and uses the wrong takes in some instances. Soundwise, they are about the same to my ears in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope. Others might feel differently.


    I like the clarity of the 2-CD RCA, you can tell it came from better elements. But I far prefer the panoramic stereo sweep of the Arista set. Really suits the material. I still use it as a demo disc, and used to use it often when writing for a UK HiFi magazine. The 2-CD sounds like you’re IN with the orchestra at times, whereas I find the mixing of the Arista far preferable. In terms of Empire and particularly Jedi I defer to the Arista every time.

     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 7:50 AM   
     By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

    I find the RCA/Sony version a tad harsher than the Arista, but the RCA/Sony version does have more clarity, and I prefer to hear it complete, although I do like the album as well.

    The RCA/Sony versions of Empire and Jedi do not sound anywhere near as good as the Arista set.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:29 AM   
     By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

    It sounds like Empire and Jedi were heavily processed on the RCA and Sony releases and had dynamic range limiting and/or noise reduction applied during mastering.

    It's frustrating that we have yet to see a definitive release of these scores, considering their popularity and importance. I hope there is an effort put into undoing many of the questionable choices made over the years, and preserving the original tapes that are still available and usable.


    I find the RCA/Sony version a tad harsher than the Arista, but the RCA/Sony version does have more clarity, and I prefer to hear it complete, although I do like the album as well.

    The RCA/Sony versions of Empire and Jedi do not sound anywhere near as good as the Arista set.

     
     Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:51 AM   
     By:   Replicant006   (Member)

    So when comparing the previous releases you get a general consensus that the RCA releases offer more clarity and possible come from better elements, while the Arista set has better mixing and balancing, and a more "pleasant" sound. I think this is why we are still talking about and clamoring for a definitive release of these iconic scores after nearly 40 years.

    I can understand Matessino remaining hush about all of this if he is possibly working on them, or involved in some way with their release. But it would be nice if he could chime in about the chances of him getting to work his magic on these scores, the way they deserve. We've been really blessed with his involvement and the label's involvement with other John Williams scores. I wonder if there is something in the works as we speak.

     
     
     Posted:   Dec 4, 2019 - 3:01 AM   
     By:   (Member)   (Member)


    The Baton: A John Williams Musical Journey

    Episode 46 - Star Wars
    October 23, 2019

    https://thebatonpodcast.podbean.com/e/episode-46-star-wars/
    This episode of The Baton is all about Star Wars and its monumental score by John Williams. Settle in as host Jeff Commings talks with Sir Clive Gillinson, who played cello on the original 1977 soundtrack. He relives some memories of playing the music and why Williams made such an impression on the London Symphony Orchestra that he returned to conduct multiple scores with the group. Also on the show is a discussion of the effectiveness of the main theme by Chris Hatt, who talks about the musical notes that make the score sound familiar and yet a bit unpredictable. Commings and Hatt also discuss their favorite scenes in the movie and resurrect the once-popular Star Wars Disco hit from 1977.


    The Entire Baton Episodes
    https://thebatonpodcast.podbean.com/

     
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