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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2016 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

After LLL release of Morricone 'The Untouchables' which is now out of print, I hope some label will release an expanded edition to 'Once Upon a Time in America' soon. It definitely deserves a proper release!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2016 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Impeccable taste, Mr X

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2016 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I thought there was an expanded release, no?

How much more music IS there?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2016 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The Mercury LP ran about 49 minutes. The Restless/Rykodisc CD added a suite and 3 unused cues to bump the total up to 75 minutes. The longest version of the film is said to run 229 minutes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

This score has had a troubled history (not even nominated for an Oscar it should have won). While there isn't likely much unreleased music (it was mostly written years before the film was shot and the film shot and edited to that music) I would love a definitive release just for extensive liner notes etc such as Braveheart was blessed with.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

This score has had a troubled history (not even nominated for an Oscar it should have won). While there isn't likely much unreleased music (it was mostly written years before the film was shot and the film shot and edited to that music) I would love a definitive release just for extensive liner notes etc such as Braveheart was blessed with.

Hopefully MV and LLL are reading this thread and are considering this seriously. I am sure there is a market for this score and it will be a very good seller.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

This score has had a troubled history (not even nominated for an Oscar it should have won). While there isn't likely much unreleased music (it was mostly written years before the film was shot and the film shot and edited to that music) I would love a definitive release just for extensive liner notes etc such as Braveheart was blessed with.

So, despite the fact that there is a CD release that apparently contains all the recorded music (I think Nick Redman had something to do with it), you want a label to release it again with better liner notes? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

This score has had a troubled history (not even nominated for an Oscar it should have won). While there isn't likely much unreleased music (it was mostly written years before the film was shot and the film shot and edited to that music) I would love a definitive release just for extensive liner notes etc such as Braveheart was blessed with.

So, despite the fact that there is a CD release that apparently contains all the recorded music (I think Nick Redman had something to do with it), you want a label to release it again with better liner notes? smile


Make sure there's a sticker: Never before with these liner notes.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

There's nothing wrong with the liner notes on the existing release. Would anyone seriously buy another release of this just for different notes in a booklet?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Isn't there some sort of digital "glitch" (a loud pop or something) on the expanded release? I have it - as well as the shorter CD - but haven't listened to it for a while. I must give it a spin...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

So, despite the fact that there is a CD release that apparently contains all the recorded music (I think Nick Redman had something to do with it), you want a label to release it again with better liner notes? smile

My comment was regards the complete package; more extensive liner notes, colour photos, new insights into the music, maybe remastered for better quality. Plenty of albums are re-released by Intrada, La La Land etc so why not a genuine classic like Once Upon A Time In America? Why on earth would you guys NOT want a better release?

I always find the generous liner notes we often get from La La a Land etc adds to the whole experience anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

So, despite the fact that there is a CD release that apparently contains all the recorded music (I think Nick Redman had something to do with it), you want a label to release it again with better liner notes? smile

My comment was regards the complete package; more extensive liner notes, colour photos, new insights into the music, maybe remastered for better quality. Plenty of albums are re-released by Intrada, La La Land etc so why not a genuine classic like Once Upon A Time In America? Why on earth would you guys NOT want a better release?

I always find the generous liner notes we often get from La La a Land etc adds to the whole experience anyway.


I can only speak for myself - I don't care about anything but the music and the cover and the inlay card - as long as those are top-notch I'm happy. I remember a time when there was only LPs - and those rarely had any kind of liner notes. They never gave you insights into the music - I believe we have ears for that sort of thing, but again, that's just my opinion and I know there are legions of fans who love the huge booklets, track breakdowns, etc. I can count on the fingers of one hand the booklets of that type that I've ever actually read. The extended release is a fine one. In fact, the original album is a fine one, but the special edition sounds better. It has lovely liner notes by Jon Burlingame. It has a few extras and runs seventy-six minutes. In fact, I think I'll listen to it right now. Which leads me to the obvious question: Do you own it?

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

It's always worth looking into. Who knows how much more score there is. Morricone wrote and recorded some of the score before hand the film was edited to it, and some cues were even re-recorded for the CD.

He probably created a library of cues that was used to edit parts of the film to, leaving untold alternates, un-used cues, cues from the film that haven't been released at all (if there are any), and if any of the original versions of those re-recorded cues were not released then they should be as well.

It's Ennio Morricone.

It's considered one of his best scores.

A re-visit is always in order for good Morricone yet completed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2016 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

It's always worth looking into. Who knows how much more score there is. Morricone wrote and recorded some of the score before hand the film was edited to it, and some cues were even re-recorded for the CD.

He probably created a library of cues that was used to edit parts of the film to, leaving untold alternates, un-used cues, cues from the film that haven't been released at all (if there are any), and if any of the original versions of those re-recorded cues were not released then they should be as well.

It's Ennio Morricone.

It's considered one of his best scores.

A re-visit is always in order for good Morricone yet completed.


Apparently you don't have the special edition CD - because everything you're speaking of is on there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)


I can only speak for myself - I don't care about anything but the music and the cover and the inlay card - as long as those are top-notch I'm happy... Which leads me to the obvious question: Do you own it?


Yes I own both editions. Infact the original album was one of the very first cds I ever bought. Way, way back.

Regards liner notes, its obviously a personal preference thing. Its one of the things that I wish Kritzerlands releases would improve upon but I can now understand why you keep things bare-bones in that department. I just like to learn more about the composer and the music, I think it affords a deeper appreciation for the music if the liner notes are well written and informative.

And I don't see any harm in another edition of Once Upon A Time In America. The way the cd format is going it would likely be the last shot at it anyway.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 12:33 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Unless it says it has everything he recorded (I don't mean every single take, of course), don't speak to me of any CD release. I'm talking something definitive that that closes the book on it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 2:32 AM   
 By:   Canone73   (Member)

It's always worth looking into. Who knows how much more score there is. Morricone wrote and recorded some of the score before hand the film was edited to it, and some cues were even re-recorded for the CD.

He probably created a library of cues that was used to edit parts of the film to, leaving untold alternates, un-used cues, cues from the film that haven't been released at all (if there are any), and if any of the original versions of those re-recorded cues were not released then they should be as well.

It's Ennio Morricone.

It's considered one of his best scores.

A re-visit is always in order for good Morricone yet completed.


Apparently you don't have the special edition CD - because everything you're speaking of is on there.



The "expanded" edition is far from being complete, and there is even a redundant track on it!
The firtst part of the extra suite is only a different take of Childhood Poverty, so we can consider it as a repetition. I don't like the crossfades either, I think most of us would prefer separate tracks.
It's nice to have the demo tracks WHEN we have the complete original score, but it's not the case on the expanded album. There is more than an hour of unreleased music only in the movie! And not only variation, but interesting arrangements of the known themes with new ideas.
There are also Morricone's arrangements of eveergreen themes like Yesterday (by Paul McCartney) and more.
And who knows how many extras are on the mastertapes, variations, different takes etc.
Regarding the unused theme, we know that later it was used as the main theme of the mafia movie IL PENTITO.
Again, I find it redundant to have two versions of it. And the ridiculous ghost track at the end of track 19 (after the Pentito theme there is 30 ses. of silence, than we get an excerpt of Deborah's theme, mixed in a way emphasasing Edda's voice, from that we understand the producers had the multitrack masters, probably complete, in their hands).
All in all, the expanded album was a welcomed but a disappointing release.
And yes, Once upon a time in America would be a great title fo LaLaLand!
(together with What Dreams may come!)

ps

liner notes: I don't care of it either, if there is a good presentation of the music.
artwork: the expanded edition had a nice artwork and booklet, BUT
the complete presentation of the score would be welcomed!)

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

There is enough pointless reissues already... better focus on something new for a change.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

There is enough pointless reissues already... better focus on something new for a change.


I look forward to seeing your similar comments on the "Take a Hard Ride" thread! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2016 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

It's always worth looking into. Who knows how much more score there is. Morricone wrote and recorded some of the score before hand the film was edited to it, and some cues were even re-recorded for the CD.

He probably created a library of cues that was used to edit parts of the film to, leaving untold alternates, un-used cues, cues from the film that haven't been released at all (if there are any), and if any of the original versions of those re-recorded cues were not released then they should be as well.

It's Ennio Morricone.

It's considered one of his best scores.

A re-visit is always in order for good Morricone yet completed.


Apparently you don't have the special edition CD - because everything you're speaking of is on there.


I note that even the expanded edition is being sold at very high prices on the second hand market which implies that the title is out of print.

 
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