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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

MV posted this news in the LLL/MV Questions Thread, but I think it's important enough to get it's own thread for optimal discussion.


Sony Music has decided to not do deals any more with all the labels so it does throw a monkey wrench into some plans. Hopefully things will change. We'll see


We have 2 major projects pending but other than that the other titles we were looking into and/or started some work on were scrapped. The letter went out to all the labels


Sony Records owns several labels as well as the catalogs of some defunct labels. The scores affected by this would be ones that had an OST album released on labels like:

RCA Records, Arista Records, CBS Records, Epic Records, Sony Classical

I am sure there are others I am forgetting.






I put together a list of John Williams scores that had an OST on a Sony Music label, maybe somebody can do the same for other composers.

1969 - The Reivers
1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1978 - The Fury (LP Re-recording tracks only, all film tracks owned by Fox)
1979 - 1941
1986 - SpaceCamp
1990 - Home Alone
1991 - Hook
1997 - Rosewood
1997 - Seven Years In Tibet
1998 - Stepmom
1999 - Angela's Ashes
1999 - The Phantom Menace (rights have reverted to Disney)
2002 - Attack of the Clones (rights have reverted to Disney)
2005 - Memoirs of a Geisha
2005 - Revenge of the Sith (rights have reverted to Disney)
2011 - The Adventures of Tintin
2011 - War Horse
2012 - Lincoln
2013 - The Book Thief
2017 - The Post











EDIT: Update from Lukas Kendall


This news is referring to Sony Music (the record company), not Sony Pictures Studios (the film studio). So Sony-owned movies with soundtrack albums NOT on Sony labels would not be affected.

Lukas




EDIT: Update from Mike Matessino


The title of this thread is making a technically inaccurate accusation.

Time for a reality check and a bitter pill:

Sony Music's decision had NOTHING to do with soundtrack labels. They don’t CARE about soundtrack labels. The people who made this decision have probably never heard of them.

What actually happened is that Sony Music unilaterally cut off ALL third party licensing…. that means ALL GENRES OF MUSIC. Soundtrack labels are just collateral damage and not even a blip on the radar of whatever brought about this decision.

Most here probably realize that, regrettably, limited edition catalog film score is pretty close to the bottom of the food chain as a genre of the music business.

But all the same we continue the fight.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Looking at that list, REIVERS is the biggest casualty for me.
All the others got expanded editions, or have more than adequate releases already (yes, many would say that is the case with REIVERS too, but it's missing some really nice stuff).
Oh well, things might change.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Mike S   (Member)

*trashes hopes and dreams for an expanded Stepmom, ruefully kicks gravel*

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

James Horner (all of these would be expansions that won't happen anymore because of this)

1992 - Sneakers
1994 - Legends Of The Fall
1995 - Jumanji
1996 - The Spitfire Grill
1998 - Deep Impact
1998 - The Mask Of Zorro
1999 - Bicentennial Man
1999 - Freedom Song
2000 - The Perfect Storm
2001 - Enemy At The Gates
2001 - Iris
2002 - Windtalkers
2002 - The Four Feathers
2003 - The Missing
2005 - The Legend Of Zorro

and these which are post 2006 or whatever year the whole AFM / royalty issue makes them impossible anyway:

2010 - The Karate Kid
2012 - The Amazing Spider-Man
2015 - Southpaw
2016 - The Magnificent Seven

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

From the first post. Quite a few of those got the expanded treatment. Thus not effected by this. Though in general this is very bad news.

That Horner list is painful to see. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   jlj93byu   (Member)

No "Sneakers" or "Legends of the Fall" expansions?! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

Sony is HUGE, guys. They are Columbia Pictures, TriStar, CBS, Sony Pictures, Screen Gems

Kingdom of Heaven
Armageddon
Dracula 2000
Rudy
Toy Soldiers
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Ghostbusters 1 / 2
A League of Their Own
Last Action Hero
Men In Black 1 / 2 / 3
Air Force One
Hollow Man
The Patriot
Spider-Man stuff

Just to name a few.....

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Sony is HUGE, guys. They are Columbia Pictures, TriStar, CBS, Sony Pictures, Screen Gems

Kingdom of Heaven
Armageddon
Dracula 2000
Rudy
Toy Soldiers
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Ghostbusters 1 / 2
A League of Their Own
Last Action Hero
Men In Black 1 / 2 / 3
Air Force One
Hollow Man
The Patriot
Spider-Man stuff

Just to name a few.....


This news is referring to Sony Music (the record company), not Sony Pictures Studios (the film studio). So Sony-owned movies with soundtrack albums NOT on Sony labels would not be affected.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Dear Sony,

Screw you.




I mean seriously screw you. If you think any money of mine will go toward anything you're putting out, you got another thing coming. The scores CD's were more important to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   CK   (Member)

1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1979 - 1941
1990 - Home Alone
1991 - Hook


Why are you listing these, Jason? They have seen comprehensive releases already.

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw your post over on JWF.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Fox and Sony.... poor La La Land.

I daresay Intrada, Varese Quartet, Kritzerland may not be too pleased either.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1979 - 1941
1990 - Home Alone
1991 - Hook


Why are you listing these, Jason? They have seen comprehensive releases already.


These may be scores that Jason is deliberately withholding from himself, so he'll always have a "New" Williams score to listen to well into his twilight years.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Looking at that list, REIVERS is the biggest casualty for me.
All the others got expanded editions, or have more than adequate releases already (yes, many would say that is the case with REIVERS too, but it's missing some really nice stuff).
Oh well, things might change.


I don't care diddlysquat about expansions, but apparently this also affects the possibility for some completely unreleased JW scores, like DADDY-O, BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG and GIDGET GOES TO ROME (according to the twin thread over on JWFAN). The latter, in particular, is delightful, and it would have been a shame if this was abandoned for good.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   CK   (Member)

These may be scores that Jason is deliberately withholding from himself, so he'll always have a "New" Williams score to listen to well into his twilight years.

I knew it!

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I just listed every John Williams film that had an OST on a Sony Music label, I didn't delete out the ones that have already been expanded. If you delete those out, the remaining list is:

1969 The Reivers [Paramount]
1986 SpaceCamp [Fox]
1997 Seven Years In Tibet [Sony]
1998 Stepmom [Sony]
1999 Angela's Ashes [Paramount]
2005 Memoirs Of A Geisha [Sony (International) / Disney (UK)]
2011 The Adventures of Tintin [Paramount]
2011 War Horse [Disney]
2012 Lincoln [Disney (US) / Fox (International)]
2013 The Book Thief [Fox]
2017 The Post [Fox]

I put in brackets the film studio that owns the unreleased music.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccckkkkkkk

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1979 - 1941
1990 - Home Alone
1991 - Hook



Regarding that list -- I wonder if this affects the ability to press more, or are the deals being ended on active titles that are done?

Plus, "Hook" had problems and now these problems can't be rectified. And even if something has been issues, if it's sold out, or sells out after this fucking move, now it's can't be re-issued. Sony is taking us back in time to the dark days of releases.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Kritzerland has "The Cardinal" coming next month, with Sony scheduled to be handling the manufacture of the actual CDs. I assume that will not be affected.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I don't care diddlysquat about expansions, but apparently this also affects the possibility for some completely unreleased JW scores, like DADDY-O, BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG and GIDGET GOES TO ROME (according to the twin thread over on JWFAN). The latter, in particular, is delightful, and it would have been a shame if this was abandoned for good.

If this only impacts stuff from Sony Music, I don't know why this would be so.

That said, given that we know that Williams has kiboshed releases of such scores as "Story of a Woman" and "The Rare Breed," I would guess that Williams' interest in releasing a score like "Gidget Goes to Rome" (if tapes even exist) might be minimal.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)



Plus, "Hook" had problems and now these problems can't be rectified. And even if something has been issues, if it's sold out, or sells out after this fucking move, now it's can't be re-issued. Sony is taking us back in time to the dark days of releases.


In regards to HOOK, La La worked with what they had at the time. However, new sources have been found. So the chance of a re-release are gone, yes, which sucks.



This news is referring to Sony Music (the record company), not Sony Pictures Studios (the film studio). So Sony-owned movies with soundtrack albums NOT on Sony labels would not be affected.

Lukas


Okay, but that still affects a ton of titles!

It explains why La La has been pushing out Sony titles lately, obviously the writing was on the wall....

 
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