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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

to most of us on these boards, and probably to a great deal of others as well. I would like to see WHO was the Musician who scored the film, The Cinematographer, Editor, Special Effects crew, the entire cast members etc. Now I'm not speaking of films at a Cinema where you can either remain in your seat or get up to leave. I'm speaking of streaming services. Amazon, HBO, and Netflix in particular. Netflix is the only one that, after about 5 seconds, the credits go into 'miniscule size' and are portioned off in a small box in the upper left corner, totally unreadable, and you've only got several seconds to read it. The screen becomes one huge 'advertisement' for films or series usually with absolutely NO connecting thread of a theme to whatever film's just ended. EXCEPT, I noticed for 'The Irishman'. And (probably) for other type films that are showcased especially for Netflix, like 'The Ballad of Buster Scruggs' or, 'The Laundromat'.
Why the cold-shoulder to every other film or series? I'd address this to Netflix, if I even thought they cared, or would consider responding, but I know they wouldn't care enough to respond. Why would Netflix be in such a hurry to get you to see something else immediately? They've got your money already.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I agree with you. Plus the end credits usually afford the composer a chance to showcase elements of the score. I imagine Netflix knows that most viewers aren't interested in the end credits and behaves accordingly. Viewers should be given a choice whether to view all the credits or move on to something else.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Excellent, thank you, Montana Dave!
I don't watch much streaming, but the same thing occurs on many channels on DirecTV. It's especially annoying when not only do they minimize the end credits roll, but they run it on Ludicrous Speed and have ads running superimposed.
I'm not into the credits all that much per se, but if the End Theme is good, it really cranks me when they do that.
They even do it to the ZAZ films (Naked Gun, etc., with some funny stuff in their credits and that just ain't right!

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Netflix knows that their target demographic are mainly couch potatoes who binge-watch in a nearly hypnotic state.
I think they are just being sensitive to those needs and providing that feature to pre-empt being ASKED to provide it.

(I would venture to say that most of us here do not fall into that viewer category.
At least I hope so.)

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I agree, Dave. The End Titles actually give the composer to form an Overture, combining all of the themes into a whole. One of my favorites is the end title to The Ghost and the Darkness. It is a superb piece of music, and it really does become not only an overture, but a tone poem. I know, I know a lot of folks say they just paste together different bits. I don't care, I think it works. It sums up the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

It's an irritating aspect of Netflix. I was watching something the other day and it cut so abruptly it ruined my enjoyment of the last shot of the film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Netflix knows that their target demographic are mainly couch potatoes who binge-watch in a nearly hypnotic state.
I think they are just being sensitive to those needs and providing that feature to pre-empt being ASKED to provide it.

(I would venture to say that most of us here do not fall into that viewer category.
At least I hope so.)


Pretty much this. They think they're providing a service the majority of today's ADD users like. I totally disagree with this default setting.

I also believe Netflix subscribers come and go. The best way to keep a customer is to continually force feed them content. Don't give them a moment to click away or cancel their subscription.

What I don't understand is why they even bother showing the end credits sped up in a little box in the corner. Why not cut the end credits out altogether, since you can't possibility read t hem anyway? Even if you freeze frame the image!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I have to disagree, I grew up watching films ending with: The End. All this ten minutes of roller titles at the end, I really don't care about the three thousand people who worked on the CGI, or who the second standby driver was. And of course with the main titles, you got the main title music, often the best cue. We're stuck with all that now, but all my favourite films 1930s to 1970s all end with...The End.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

You can choose to view the credits. You even have a countdown clock to tell you how much time you have before it goes to the next thing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

You can choose to view the credits. You even have a countdown clock to tell you how much time you have before it goes to the next thing.

It still automatically shrinks the end credits and often cuts off the last few seconds of the program. And you have to fumble with your remote to choose your option before its to late.

Though last time I had Netflix you could choose in your account prefs to view end credits. I don't know if that option is still available.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

You can choose to view the credits. You even have a countdown clock to tell you how much time you have before it goes to the next thing.

That unfortunately doesn't stop its size from minimizing. That should be a feature you can disable.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

On the other hand, many of the network shows that I watch on my cable's On Demand service play the end credits and musical theme full screen and without an overlay of network promos for upcoming shows. This is most likely to happen when viewing episodes that are a few weeks old, where the shows that would have been touted by those promos have already aired. These On Demand showings are the first time I've been able to hear many of the shows' ending themes, which are often different (and longer) than the opening themes.

I can't remember the last time that I viewed a network show on its original broadcast date where the end credit scroll was run full screen and without promos. (I take that back. Fox usually runs the end credits for its animated shows--e.g., "The Simpsons", "Family Guy"--that way.)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Thought I'd throw this one in as a companion piece--
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=119140&forumID=7&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, this is very irritating -- just as those commercial channels that switch to ads the SECOND the first end credit text bit appears on-screen, sometimes even with voiceover. Heck, even before the film is finished sometimes.

On my Netflix, it doesn't only minimize the screen, it cuts away after just a few seconds to play a trailer of something else - complete with sound. I've looked into 'settings' to see if there's anything I can do to prevent this, but found nothing.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

The fact that (for me anyway), ONLY Netflix is doing this. Amazon Prime, and HBO-Now, do not. Why is Netflix 'getting away' with this? This brings to mind a question some of you may be able to answer? The Studios that realeased the film, The various Guilds and Unions comprising Directors, Editors, Cinematographers, and particularly the Writer's Guild's, don't they have some sort of contract that would enforce the lists of their members craftsmanship in the various end credits? I would think, that all these studios, producers and unions would have it in their contracts in the making of the films in question, that their achiements be listed and recognized.
Also, why the separate distinctions in showing ALL the credits for Netflix 'originals', i.e. 'The Irishman', 'The Laundromat' etc, but not films that aren't Netflix 'originals'? Why is there no Guild/Union/Studio legal 'push-back'?
'Marriage Story' is a new arrival as a 'Netflix Original' beginning today. It is reportedly going to figure in the end of year awards. I will view it this evening, but I'll be willing to bet ALL it's technicians and craftsmen will be listed.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The fact that (for me anyway), ONLY Netflix is doing this. Amazon Prime, and HBO-Now, do not. Why is Netflix 'getting away' with this? This brings to mind a question some of you may be able to answer? The Studios that realeased the film, The various Guilds and Unions comprising Directors, Editors, Cinematographers, and particularly the Writer's Guild's, don't they have some sort of contract that would enforce the lists of their members craftsmanship in the various end credits? I would think, that all these studios, producers and unions would have it in their contracts in the making of the films in question, that their achiements be listed and recognized.
Also, why the separate distinctions in showing ALL the credits for Netflix 'originals', i.e. 'The Irishman', 'The Laundromat' etc, but not films that aren't Netflix 'originals'? Why is there no Guild/Union/Studio legal 'push-back'?
'Marriage Story' is a new arrival as a 'Netflix Original' beginning today. It is reportedly going to figure in the end of year awards. I will view it this evening, but I'll be willing to bet ALL it's technicians and craftsmen will be listed.


Yeah, Ive been questioning that since broadcast channels started to shrink and roll the credits at light speed. You figured this would be against union rules. Maybe the loop hole is they only have to run the credits but there's no rule on them being readable! Because Ive said over and over again, if you're gonna shrink they down and speed them up then just cut the credits out of the broadcast versions.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2020 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   Travis   (Member)

Not a fan of cutting off the end title either. I noticed Daniel Pemberton complaining about this issue on Twitter the other day (https://twitter.com/DANIELPEMBERTON/status/1262157844771676161). I like to see the credits, but I am also there for the music. So much great music has come over the years from the end credits. Definitely, do not want to see it go away or be minimized. A few weeks ago I put together a playlist showcasing great end title music from the mid-70's to the present.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2020 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I preach these very words to EVERY human I encounter.
Thanks & FU Marvel (for some validation) in my/our crusade.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2020 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

The BBC (UK) have been doing this for a few years now with their programs. As soon as the end titles come up they're squidged to the edge of the screen & we get more of the endless trails for programs to come.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2020 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I've been watching a lot of Netflix movies over the last week through a firestick, and that way it's run the credits on the full screen with three "if you liked that you'll like these" films highlighted at the bottom, like at the end of some YouTube videos. But you can always tab up to the top and watch the credits.

I don't know that there's a setting to disable these things entirely, but you can disable the trailers autoplaying.

From Account, in the dropdown menu for Profile And Parental Controls there's a section called Playback Settings and you can uncheck the two AutoPlay options.

https://www.netflix.com/settings/playback/ might take you straight to it.

 
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