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 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)



we need more songs and "album versions" and "film edits" and "film version with overlay" and "revised and alternates" on the releases


KARATE KID - where's the DEMO song


Minority report - there are room for 30 minuttes of music at the end of disc 2


I said it before - that there is no need to have a 2 disc release with a full CD1 and then a C2 with say only 3o minutes


there is room to include extra music



and a 3o minute score from 1' generations could indclude 1st take as a second album option just to make use of the extra space







come on - i'll gladly pay that extra price for that ekstra music

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've never understood this obsession over quantity of music. Surely quality is more important; it doesn't get any better just because there's more of something.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

These decisions are made for various reasons related to business, financial, legal and materials aspects and is beyond the scope of you or I as collectors. The people running the niche soundtrack labels make decisions that will still keep their small businesses operating and your single offer of paying a bit more for "extra music" unfortunately can't be the deciding factor in a decision that could cause the label to sink or swim. Stop being petulant.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

. Stop being petulant.


Hhell no - a CD2 with only 30 minuttes seems like a complete waste og natural resourses material

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

All this works under the false assumptions things are done arbitrarily and/or doesn't cost more. These big labels that give us all thee goodies, know what they are doing.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

. Stop being petulant.


Hhell no - a CD2 with only 30 minuttes seems like a complete waste og natural resourses material


You have no evidence on which to base that judgment. You do not know about extra costs the labels incur in order to add additional music and pay to manufacturing plants to add additional tracks to a disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


i have a lot of evidence



take a look at nature and see what utter waste people havde disposed (cigarettes, plastic and bottles)


Have CD's suddenly become the one thing people won't dispose off?


Of course not, people dispose of CD's like the do with other thing


so stop ignorant crappy talk about no evidence



People are wasting TV's and cellphones if they want to

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Here's a window into what it costs to make a release (bolding mine):

The following are just some of the costs to us that have increased. I am not referring to the musician fees because thankfully the historic rates have made these albums actually possible now. And I am not counting postage fees as those we factor into our retail shipping rates. Anyway, onwards.

Here's what costs have increased since our first $19.99 CD went out our door: The advances to acquire the license. The royalty rates to the studio. The mechanical licensing fees. (Yes, every time we add another track to an album, not only do we pay a higher rate, but we pay that rate so many more times over, too.) The costs of transferring the original elements. The costs of mixing, editing and mastering the music. The costs of licensing the artwork and stills for the packaging. The costs of manufacturing a disc. The costs of printing a booklet. And - of course - the labor costs at all levels of production and manufacturing and filling of orders and all that overhead stuff. And my point here?

Some 25 years later, we still retail these discs for $19.99

Just something to ponder. Don't fear a price increase or some other yucky development at this time. But maybe, just maybe, be kind of happy that you are seeing these albums come out against such challenging odds. It gets pretty crazy sometimes.
--Doug



Economics 101:

Project costs $10,000 to produce. You sell cd at an average of $7 per unit. For a release like this, one that is months after the fact, you might be lucky to move 1000 to 2000 units. If you move 2000, you make $14,000 gross. Of course, when you factor in royalties you might walk away with $2,500 - $3,000 profit. Now, this is not accounting for the 1000 cds you will most likely receive as returns a year later from vendors like Tower, Virgin, etc. . . So, you have actually lost money on the project.

Perhaps some day another company will release it as a limited edition cd if Mr Despalt's star continues to rise. Hell, in a few years I might even do that! I'm a fan of his work, but to release the cd now is hardly worth it to appease a few hundred people.

Now, if I can get a slew of you to want a release of this, I might second think the project. This is similiar to Blade:Trinity. We were considering doing it, but there wasn't enough interest, so we passed.


MV



I can't speak for others, but when you get right down to it $20 is just about as low as we can go.

Between artist royalties, mechanical royalties, afm fees, sag fees (for choir), transfer costs, mastering costs, producing costs as well as manufacturing costs a company's out of pocket fees go well into the 10's of thousands on some projects. Other projects, are not as high, but those ones usually are not as much in demand.

We try to give customers a break from time to time (sale prices on older titles or sale prices on new ones -- like now: Buy Dragonslayer and get Eraser for $14.98).

Plus, something to also keep in mind is when we sell these cds to other stores we sell them at a wholesale rate, so our profit diminishes anywhere from $5 to $10. Only Varese has the cajones to sell their wares at full retail price to the wholesale marketplace. LOL

Believe me, if we could sell these cds cheaper and still make a good profit we would.

And that's all I gotta say about that.

MV


Keep in mind a number of release, for example, LLLR has done, have taken years to come out for various reasons. In the meantime they've sunk a lot of money into each one and can't recoup it 'cause they can't sell until all is said and done.



And on more than one occasion MV has told us CD's near the 80 minute mark aren't guaranteed to play on all players, so splitting something onto 2CD's is sometimes necessary. And as he and other label heads have told us, sometimes this stuff is out of their control and is contractual. It's easy for somebody who doesn't really know but proclaims they do, to sit there and lecture these hard-working labels who DO know and put not just their money where their mouth is, but a shit-load of money where their mouth is.

MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

i have a lot of evidence



take a look at nature and see what utter waste people havde disposed (cigarettes, plastic and bottles)


Have CD's suddenly become the one thing people won't dispose off?


Of course not, people dispose of CD's like the do with other thing


so stop ignorant crappy talk about no evidence



People are wasting TV's and cellphones if they want to


Good grief, really? This is a false equivalency argument and doesn't hold any merit. It's been explained for financial reasons why the labels are not always able to fill up an entire CD. If you don't accept this, that is your fault, not theirs. It seems you would rather advocate for all releases to be digital downloads instead.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You can all agree or disagree with the guy's feelings.
But the insults aren't necessary.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

My guess is he said it before and he'll say it again.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I've never understood this obsession over quantity of music.



Thor... some might say you are as obsessed with it as anyone!
Surely no-one has posted more here than you over the years about your preferences regarding the quantity of music in soundtrack releases.
For sure, there is no-one here whose opinions on quantity of music are as well-known to the community.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The disgusting, unsatisfying and narcissistic gluttony from several posters in this thread would've made a good extra 15 minutes in David Fincher's Seven.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!



Go praise them in another room where you can enjoy your 14 minute CD2 from the Tombstone 2cd-set

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

The disgusting, unsatisfying and narcissistic gluttony from several posters in this thread would've made a good extra 15 minutes in David Fincher's Seven.


And which one would you be?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)


MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!



Go praise them in another room where you can enjoy your 14 minute CD2 from the Tombstone 2cd-set


Priced at $19,99. No extra cost for the customer for the second CD.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!



Go praise them in another room where you can enjoy your 14 minute CD2 from the Tombstone 2cd-set


Yikes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!



Go praise them in another room where you can enjoy your 14 minute CD2 from the Tombstone 2cd-set


Priced at $19,99. No extra cost for the customer for the second CD.



Price is not concern here - the 60 extra minutes are

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


MV, Roger, others, should be thanked and praised!



Go praise them in another room where you can enjoy your 14 minute CD2 from the Tombstone 2cd-set


Priced at $19,99. No extra cost for the customer for the second CD.



Price is not concern here - the 60 extra minutes are


Sometimes there is nothing left to add. And sometimes the composer (Williams and Broughton, respectively) themselves does not want anything else added to the disc. Are you going to yell at the composers too?

 
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