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 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Coming soon from Frémeaux & Associés.

No idea how much material is actually new compared to similar compilations covering Jarre's early years.


tracklist and pre-order at
https://www.musicbox-records.com/en/cd-soundtracks/11560-maurice-jarre-bandes-originales-de-films-1959-1962.html

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Interesting. And worth another ponder.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Interesting. And worth another ponder.

I'd be cautious, I seem to remember that their Delerue 2xCD had some dubious sources (MP3? DVDs?) for the material, but I'd need to double check. E.g. same warning as the Cinémusique releases that have appeared all over the web.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Coming soon from Frémeaux & Associés.

No idea how much material is actually new compared to similar compilations covering Jarre's early years.


Not that much - maybe 10-12 tracks -, but you get at least the complete content of all the early French soundtrack EPs by Jarre which were released between 1959-1962. Above all RECOURS EN GRACE had been represented by only one track on the former Play Time CD compilations whereas the EP from 1960 had four tracks. Now you get all those four for the first time on CD.
It could be that some tracks were just ripped from the EPs themselves as I am not sure whether EP album masters of all these Jarre scores still exist in France.
Anyway, within their BNF sound collection the Bibliothèque Nationale de France has already made available all these EPs as digital downloads a few years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

I have the Delerue set they did and it’s very nice.
But all of the tracks on this Jarre set with the exception of The Longest Day and the bonus track were already released on a 2CD set back in 2019 on the rdm label in France.
www.rdm-edition.fr
I ordered directly from rdm and they were very fast and reasonable postage, but then again so were Fremeaux also!
Interesting early Jarre is always welcome.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

https://www.rdm-edition.fr/53737-large_default/maurice-jarre-maurice-jarre-musiques-de-films-a001647192.jpg
Oh and it’s on sale now at 9.75 euro
I just noticed a Morricone set at rdm also.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

And another collection has a few interesting Jarre tracks as well.

https://www.rdm-edition.fr/59414-large_default/bob-kenyon-le-son-pour-l-image-vol-3-horreur-epouvante-terreur-a001825996.jpg

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

But all of the tracks on this Jarre set with the exception of The Longest Day and the bonus track were already released on a 2CD set back in 2019 on the rdm label in France.
www.rdm-edition.fr
I ordered directly from rdm and they were very fast and reasonable postage, but then again so were Fremeaux also!


But you have to keep in mind that RDM - especially regarding soundtracks - for the most part is a French boot label which takes advantage of the public domain situation in the EU (all scores composed before 1964) so you can be sure that really everything on that 2 CD set was ripped off either from the EPs themselves or from the BNF digital versions. It is obvious that nothing on that 2 CD set was licensed at all. Therefore the cheap prices.
Fremeaux on the other hand is a well-known regular CD label and it could be that they at least tried to use the album masters as far as possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

Thanks Stefan did not know that. The Fremeaux sets are indeed much nicer!
And a warning everyone postage costs at rdm have gone up to over 30euro since the first time I ordered! They have an eBay store that seems cheaper for postage

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Thanks Stefan did not know that. The Fremeaux sets are indeed much nicer!


I don´t have their Delerue 2 CD set (as so many of the tracks have already been available elsewhere) and it would be very interesting to know if there is any indication in the booklet or on the back cover about the music publishers/licensors of the individual scores used for that set.
If there is no indication at all about them, this would then be a confirmation that even Fremeaux now goes the same public domain way as RDM and just copies the old EPs. But I am not quite sure about this.
Can you therefore have a quick look at your Delerue CD set again, Roy?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Stefan, I have the double CD Delerue 1959-62 by Frémeaux and had a look. I cannot find any publishers names in it, just P & C 2021 FREMEAUX & ASSOCIES. Alongside the track titles, they just mentioned the 45 rpm references.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Thanks Laurent for that quick reply. What a pity that even Fremeaux therefore nowadays seems to take advantage of the public domain copyright rule in the EU regarding such old soundtracks from the time before 1964.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

There is a SACEM logo on the Delerue discs themselves. Not sure what that indicates and then again rdm also feature that logo too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

There is a SACEM logo on the Delerue discs themselves. Not sure what that indicates and then again rdm also feature that logo too.

This indicates only that the mechanical rights/composer royalties have been paid through the SACEM. It´s just the same as when for example you see the German GEMA logo on German Tsunami CDs from the 90s - and Tsunami of course also hadn´t licensed the titles they released on CD from the US studios.
So a (boot) label can quite easily get a SACEM or GEMA logo in France or in Germany for their CDs even when it doesn´t pay any license to the music publisher (or a studio).
I suppose that with those old scores from the 50s and early 60s there is so little profit to be gained nowadays that the label would even lose money if it tried to contact the music publishers and had to pay licenses for the titles. And in addition everyone knows that it is just not necessary anymore as the scores from that time have long become public domain within the EU.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2022 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Since Intrada had issued Jarre's 1961 The Big Gamble via 20th-Fox, I wonder why his 1960 Crack in the Mirror (also Fox) has never surfaced onto disc?
If Jarre's music was recorded in France, is it possible Fox has copies of such in the U.S.?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2022 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Stefan, according to what you say about the year 1964, there are very few chances that Frémeaux would release a 2d volume of Delerue, although many EP's of this composer have been issued in the 60s. By the way, why is 1964 the crucial year in terms of rights as compared to now ?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2022 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Stefan, according to what you say about the year 1964, there are very few chances that Frémeaux would release a 2d volume of Delerue, although many EP's of this composer have been issued in the 60s. By the way, why is 1964 the crucial year in terms of rights as compared to now ?

At the end of 2013 we got the new coypright law in the EU regarding published sound recordings which states that these enter public domain only after 70 years. But before that time for many years the common rule was that sound recordings - and any soundtrack from a film which has been publicly shown falls into that category - entered into public domain after 50 years.
The copyright protection for only 50 years then remained intact for those sound recordings whose copyright term had already expired before end of 2013. So for example for a score from 1962 or from early 1963 the term of copyright had of course already expired before the new copyright got implemented. Therefore it is public domain and can be released by everyone who has an appropriate source for it.
In Canada it is a bit different as the new copyright law there got implemented only in 2015. Therefore for them also records from 1964 are public domain as the 50 years copyright term for these had of course already expired in 2015. This is the reason why Disques Cinémusique has digitally released so many titles from 1964 as they don´t have to pay any licenses for these anymore. In Europe however this is not possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2022 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Thanks Laurent for that quick reply. What a pity that even Fremeaux therefore nowadays seems to take advantage of the public domain copyright rule in the EU regarding such old soundtracks from the time before 1964.

As I said above, the fact that some tracks are not lossless and likely MP3 sourced is a strong hint that they have not used the master tapes. I checked again "Thème de la veuve" from the Delerue compilation, and it is definitely not lossless. For me, the conclusion is clear: avoid this label.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2022 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

As I said above, the fact that some tracks are not lossless and likely MP3 sourced is a strong hint that they have not used the master tapes. I checked again "Thème de la veuve" from the Delerue compilation, and it is definitely not lossless. For me, the conclusion is clear: avoid this label.

However, this was not always the case with this label. Just take for example their Delerue compilation CD "Musiques de Films" from 1995 with 4 TV scores:
https://www.discogs.com/de/release/8214370-Georges-Delerue-Musiques-de-films

These 4 scores were clearly licensed then from "Les Editions des Alouettes" and the master tapes were used.

But the times have changed.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2022 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

In the meantime, I purchased this double CD and made a track by track comparison with the previous releases dedicated to early Jarre scores :

1st CD:

- LA GÉNÉRATION DU DÉSERT : we get here the full EP, that is a duration of ca 9'26 as compared to the 6'42 suite featured in the box MUSIC FROM THE GOLDEN AGE OF FRENCH CINEMA (Cinémusique). There is therefore one track more, the Chant traditionnel de Massadah (2'47). It's also an asset to get separate tracks.
- LA TÊTE CONTRE LES MURS : the 1st track La tête contre les murs / Surprise-party is a bit longer (5'06 instead of 4'30 and 4'16 respectively on the two Playtime anthologies)
- LES DRAGUEURS : Surboum chez Ghislaine is much longer (5'47 instead of 2'02 on the two Playtime anthologies)
- LA MAIN CHAUDE: there are 2 new tracks from the EP : Calypso de Michel (2'07) and Blues d'Yvette (1'56). Also mind that the Chanson de la main chaude (2'58) is longer than the Valse de la main chaude (1'35 on Playtime) and the Thème de la main chaude (3'03) is longer than the Générique (2' on Playtime), which means that these tracks have different titles on the Playtime CD. It seems here that Stéphane Lerouge had access to the complete tapes since the track Insouciance (2'05) was not featured on the EP. So, I'm not mistaken, we now have a total of 6 tracks on CD if you take both the Playtime and Frémeaux albums.
- RECOURS EN GRÂCE : 3 unreleased tracks from the EP : Valse musette (2'37), Paysage (2'15), Dernière valse (3'21). The Valse de Platonov (EP title) has been renamed Valse and Recours en grâce on the Playtime CDs.

2d CD :

- L'OISEAU DE PARADIS : 3 unreleased tracks from the EP : Petite soeur (1'25), Lamthon lotus d'or (3'07), Thème du Ramayana (1'48)
- LE SOLEIL DANS L'OEIL : 3 unreleased tracks from the EP : Thème Frédéric (2'58), Lamentu (2'15), Tango guitare (2'13)
- THÉRÈSE DESQUEYROUX : 2 unreleased tracks from the EP : Argelouze (1'25), Guitare pour Thérèse (3'14)
- L'UNIVERS D'UTRILLO: the suite is here slightly longer (5'26 instead of 4'44) but there are actually just a few words spoken placed as an introduction whereas the Playtime CD is proposing the music only.

For some reason, they omitted the main theme of THE LONGEST DAY (opening track of the EP) but there is anyway more music on the Milan CD.

As a whole, it's a pity they didn't seize this opportunity to add music from LE PRÉSIDENT (1960, of which a suite is available in the Universal 4 CD long box), PLEINS FEUX SUR L'ASSASSIN (1961, unreleased) or LES DIMANCHES DE VILLE D'AVRAY (1962, unreleased) but Frémeaux seemingly isn't searching for session tapes (provided they still exist of course) and is working from singles and EP's only. Another example they could have included is MORT, OÙ EST TA VICTOIRE ? (3 track EP including one piece by J.S. Bach of which only one theme has been reissued on CD). Since the two Frémeaux CD's are rather short (55'29 and 43'38), it's also weird that they didn't include the 6 track EP from LES YEUX SANS VISAGE (1959) but we fortunately have it on the Playtime CD's. JUDEX (of which the DVD has just been released in France) would have been a great addition too but I see that the movie was released in 1963.

Also, I just don't understand the way Mister Olivier Julien is writing liner notes. Whenever he mentions a soundtrack featured in the set, he's enumerating all the track titles featured on this EP without even commenting them ! What for ? We indeed simply can see these titles by looking at the track-listing and don't need this filling. I've never seen that before.

I would recommend it if you absolutely want to have more Jarre stuff from that period. Since I don't have the EP's, I am for instance pleased with the 'new' tracks from LA MAIN CHAUDE, L'OISEAU DE PARADIS and LE SOLEIL DANS L'OEIL in particular.

 
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