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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I recently rewatched the film and have been listening to the score on repeat, and it's only gotten better with time! I still maintain that this is my absolute favorite Goldsmith score. I take back what I said years ago... I would absolutely welcome a complete release of this, especially on vinyl!

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I've ordered this based on your opinions, not having seen the film. I'm a sucker for exotic scores in the same vein as THE MUMMY and WIND AND THE LION and hope I won't be disappointed. I'm holding you guys responsible, now...
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It's a good score, but if you're forming your expectations around THE WIND AND THE LION, you may be disappointed. 13TH WARRIOR is nowhere near as good.


But it's far superior to MUMMIFIED.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Nice soundtrack-meets-life story, peterproud!

As for this, in my original topic 12 years ago:

This is another favourite of mine, and in many ways it's a better listening experience than THE MUMMY

What the hell was I on about? 13TH WARRIOR is a great score, but nowhere near THE MUMMY -- which I consider my alltime favourite JG score.


MUMMIFIED is your favorite?!

Lack of sunlight obviously has some ominous affects on musical judgement.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I. .... I've heard The Mummy several times and can't remember a theme or particular cue for the life of me, since it all sounds the same.

That's because you aren't Norwegian.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2018 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

From Thor:

As for this, in my original topic 12 years ago:

This is another favourite of mine, and in many ways it's a better listening experience than THE MUMMY

What the hell was I on about? 13TH WARRIOR is a great score, but nowhere near THE MUMMY -- which I consider my all time favourite JG score.


I either hadn't seen this thread 12 years ago or just forgot about, but in reading over the whole thing now revived, I was struck by a few things:

As I read the first post by Thor, my reaction was - "I usually don't agree with most of Thor's posts, but he's right about 13TH WARRIOR...I like it better than THE MUMMY too" (which is a fine score). And then 12 years later...he takes it back. WTF? big grin

But the part that really got me was this statement by Thor, who of all people should know better:
"Realism would only have been maintained if the vikings had continued to speak Norwegian."
Vikings did not speak Norwegian...a language which did not exist in the time period of the film. They spoke Old Norse, which is closer to Modern Icelandic than Norwegian.

But I agree that the film would have been better for me if they had used Old Norse and subtitles instead of the using the kind of unbelievable conceit of Banderas' characters learning the language by watching them talk. It would be silly for any language, but just to make it even sillier, Old Norse (and Icelandic) is INSANELY complicated. I know, I've been studying it.
But yeah, Americans wouldn't have stood for it...and I say this as an American who VASTLY prefers subtitles.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2018 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Ha, ha....I'm well aware they spoke Old Norse rather than modern Norwegian back in the day. Duh! What I meant is that Norwegian would have been better and more realistic than English. In either case, Old Norse would have been better than both of them, of course, but to see them do that in a Hollywood film is a stretch, I think. Unless Mel Gibson finally got his viking project off the ground (I think he talked about doing it in Old Norse, just as he did Arameic in PASSION). Of course, doing it in Old Norse also runs into the difficulties not only of charting out the whole language, but to apply it with a more or less modern vernacular that is neglible to modern audiences. Or at least subtitle it that way.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2018 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Ha, ha....I'm well aware they spoke Old Norse rather than modern Norwegian back in the day. Duh! What I meant is that Norwegian would have been better and more realistic than English. In either case, Old Norse would have been better than both of them, of course, but to see them do that in a Hollywood film is a stretch, I think. Unless Mel Gibson finally got his viking project off the ground (I think he talked about doing it in Old Norse, just as he did Arameic in PASSION). Of course, doing it in Old Norse also runs into the difficulties not only of charting out the whole language, but to apply it with a more or less modern vernacular that is neglible to modern audiences. Or at least subtitle it that way.

That makes sense. I didn't think about this, Thor, but were the actors in the film speaking Norwegian before the "translation" scene? It's been a while since I've seen the film and it was long before I took an interest in Old Norse.
In fact, do most films use Norwegian as a substitute for when they want to show Vikings speaking their own language? I guess it would be much easier than trying get accurate Old Norse and it would sound sort of right to most people.

I would LOVE to see Mel Gibson do a Viking movie in Old Norse. I refused to see his PASSION but APOCALYPTO was fantastic and it was done in Mayan.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2018 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, if memory serves the Norwegian actors spoke Norwegian at first (not subtitled) -- but soon revert to English to cater to US audiences incapable or unwilling to read subtitles. Especially Dennis Storhøi.

Alas, there haven't been many Norwegian (and Scandinavian) viking films at all, and the ones we have, have used contemporary Norwegian. We're still missing that one great viking film that pays proper authetic respect to the period in all shapes and forms -- from language to clothing to behaviour etc. (and yes, I'm well aware of the VIKINGS series on History Channel; it takes many artistic liberties).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2018 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Man, yet another JG score I know f-all about, surprising I haven't seen this Banderas not a bad actor, going to check this movie - score out it looks good, 1999 through me off.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 9:12 PM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

So, what are the odds we will ever get a reissue of this score?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

13th Warrior - complete!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I would buy it in a heartbeat!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

I would buy it in a heartbeat!

Yep, no-brainer.

Graham

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There’s a very good almost 20 minutes missing from this score which could be added to a Deluxe Edition. Nothing I’d call a highlight of the score, but also nothing I’d say is of lesser quality than what’s on the original album.

To expand this score and Medicine Man, I’m pretty sure Varese would have to license additional music from Disney. Let’s hope it can happen.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

13th Warrior - complete!

Count me in. I'd buy that for a dollar. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

A 2-disc set with this and Graeme Revell's rejected score would be sweet.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2020 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

The album had all of the highlights. No missing 5 minute action cues like previously expanded 90s Goldsmith. Maybe interest in the Revell rejection but the extra music is nothing to seek out. Now we have the big 4 I would say Hollow Man is the next Goldsmith expansion needed.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2020 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The album had all of the highlights. No missing 5 minute action cues like previously expanded 90s Goldsmith. Maybe interest in the Revell rejection but the extra music is nothing to seek out. Now we have the big 4 I would say Hollow Man is the next Goldsmith expansion needed.

Hard disagree on "nothing to seek out" -- the music omitted from the original album is all good thematic orchestral stuff and worth having to flesh out the score further. As high a priority as some other Varese-controlled scores, with more varied missing music? Maybe not. But absolutely still worthwhile.

No offense to Hollow Man but my most wanted Varese expansion is *easily* Love Field, since the film contains at least one real highlight that was left off the 29 minute original album, and there's likely a great deal more score that was written and recorded for the film but not contained within it or on the original album. I'll let Roger and Doug from Intrada explain, for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about:
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7704&sid=e4b531e2d606fba6d95926ce131a1d8e

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2020 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Isn't Hollow Man already expanded?

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2020 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

As with The 13th Warrior: not in licensed legal form...at least not on CD (there is an isolated score track on the DVD).

Yavar

 
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