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 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

A bit off the beaten path, yes, but I was contemplating this the other day. Does anyone have a backstory about why the label called themselves this? It just seems such an oddly random title.

I think I can safely presume that the "Varèse" part refers to Edgard Varèse... that (in)famous modernist composer whose music certainly has no great reputation for being easily listenable (though I do own his works, and have no antipathy for them myself).

And then there's the simpler "Sarabande": a leisurely (often Spanish) dance, and a compositional form used by concert composers for centuries.

So... why the weird juxtaposition of terms?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

It's a great name and if you think about what you just said, you have your answer.

Film music as a whole is a juxtaposition of styles including atonal electronics and lush classical orchestra.

But whether that was Scot W. Holton's (and any other founder's intention), I don't know.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

It's a great name and if you think about what you just said, you have your answer.

Film music as a whole is a juxtaposition of styles including atonal electronics and lush classical orchestra.

But whether that was Scot W. Holton's (and any other founder's intention), I don't know.


Yes, I did think of that possibility, but I thought maybe someone here would have the "official" story.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Film music as a whole is a juxtaposition of styles including atonal electronics and lush classical orchestra.

But the label was started as a modern classical label, and only later morphed into a film music label.

Where's haineshisway? He was there, and I'm pretty sure he's answered this before.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   nonadanix2   (Member)

So... why the weird juxtaposition of terms?

As far as I know, back in 1977 Chris Küchler's "Varèse International Records" and Tom Null's "Sarabande Records" joint to "Varèse Sarabande Records". Scot Holton came to the label in 1979.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

So... why the weird juxtaposition of terms?

As far as I know, back in 1977 Chris Küchler's "Varèse International Records" and Tom Null's "Sarabande Records" joint to "Varèse Sarabande Records". Scot Holton came to the label in 1979.


This is almost correct. I don't know if my memory is really accurate, but I believe Dub Taylor and Chris had Varese and Tom may have had Sarabande - but it was the amalgamation of the two labels. They were doing only classical music. I've told the story before, but Tom, who was working at Vogue Records in Westwood, chatted me up frequently, since I was there two or three times a week. He told me they were starting a label and I was offered a third of it for $2500 or something like that. And, in the stupidest decision EVER, I didn't do it. What I did do is convince them that classical wasn't going to do the trick and that they should get into soundtracks. I was quite passionate about it, and I guess it worked, since that's what they did. And, as some of you know, the very first Varese Sarabande LP was the soundtrack to my film, The First Nudie Musical.

Scot came around a year later. Over the years, I got them them several good titles - Bloodline, An Almost Perfect Affair, and, most importantly, A Little Romance which, because of my inundating the Academy with copies of the LP, won the Academy Award that year for score (over Mr. Goldsmith's Star Trek!). I also got them The Twilight Zone series of LPs because one fine day I simply picked up the phone and called the CBS Music library and asked for it.

Only some fifteen years later would I actually go to work there.

One other little-known fact: After Richard Kraft decided to leave, I was the first one offered the soundtrack job - I was too busy doing other things at the time, but I sort of wonder what would have happened had I taken it. I'm sure Mr. Townson wonders, too smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Ah, what is life but a comedy of errors punctuated by periods of blissful ignorance and romantic hindsight? wink


~Josh

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I always wondered what the correct pronunciation was of "Varese Sarabande." I have my own way of saying it, but don't know if it's the correct way or not.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

I always wondered what the correct pronunciation was of "Varese Sarabande." I have my own way of saying it, but don't know if it's the correct way or not.

"VA-REZ SARABAND"

You're not alone, my friend. I recently learned that I'd been pronouncing it incorrectly for many years ("VA-REESE SARABAND"). I was enlightened by this thread:

http://fsm.rciwebhosting.net/board/posts.cfm?threadID=50597&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

This interview reveals Bob Townson's background of the story. Plus it tells you what VS's logo actually means. wink

http://www.filmzene.net/read.php?u=interju_robert_townson_english.html

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Very cool. Thanks for the link, Cat.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 1:58 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

This interview reveals Bob Townson's background of the story. Plus it tells you what VS's logo actually means. wink

http://www.filmzene.net/read.php?u=interju_robert_townson_english.html


Very amusing. He sort of forgets that Nudie was the first LP release, and that getting into soundtracks was completely my idea, but I'll be here to keep reminding him smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)


"VA-REZ SARABAND"

You're not alone, my friend. I recently learned that I'd been pronouncing it incorrecly for many years ("VA-REESE SARABAND"). I was enlightened by this thread:

http://fsm.rciwebhosting.net/board/posts.cfm?threadID=50597&forumID=1&archive=0


I figured it was pronounced slightly different from how it was spelled, so I've been saying "Va-rez-a Sarabon" all these years. Thanks for the info. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

I always said Va-reese Sara-bond-day.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

..... and, most importantly, A Little Romance which, because of my inundating the Academy with copies of the LP, won the Academy Award that year for score (over Mr. Goldsmith's Star Trek!).

eek mad eek

BURN HIM! BURN HIM!

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   Olivier   (Member)

This interview reveals Bob Townson's background of the story. Plus it tells you what VS's logo actually means. wink

http://www.filmzene.net/read.php?u=interju_robert_townson_english.html


Thanks, Cat!
It's an excellent interview.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

I really liked Varese's classical releases. I've got the early Liszt, Copland, Dvorak releases, and they're terrific.

Theoretically, they released a Toru Takemitsu's "In an Autumn Garden", too, but I've never actually SEEN a copy of it. Back in the day, I special ordered it from my local record stores to no avail, and I've tried finding in eBay with the same lack of results.

Takemitsu is one of my favorite composers. I'd really like to have a copy of this disc in my collection someday.

I know that Varese will, from time to time release some classical works (like the Bernard Herrmann disc re-releasing material from the CLASSICAL HOLLYWOOD series), but it's been a while.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

Thank you all for the information. Very informative.

Pronunciation!? Haven't any of you taking any Romance languages in school? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

They also released the only recordings (that I know of) of Williams's Flute Concerto and the original version of the Violin Concerto.

-Joshua

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Wow, I've been into film music for almost two decades and I never knew that the name hails from a merger of two companies! Thanks for the info.

Also, why did the original Varese company call themselves just that? Any particular connection to the modernist composer? (it's like a label calling itself "Mozart" or "Beethoven"...kinda weird).

As far as the pronounciation is concerned, American Nightmare, that may be the AMERICAN pronounciation you cite, but not the original. I think the composer's last name is pronounced "Vares-eh", as in the Italian city (then again, he was born in France, not Italy, so there may be some difference).

Likewise, Sarabande does not have a silent 'e' at the end in its original language. It's pronounced "Saraband-eh".

So I've always said "Vares-eh Saraband-eh". Sounds better than if you cut the ends off, IMO. smile

 
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