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Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
Boughtfan - Regarding IAT episode, "The Cave Family Swingers", do you have any infomation about when the prescores were recorded for that episode (i.e. the "dinosaur stew" instrumental and overdub). Were they on 1/16/67 or another date? Also, there is a kind of Scottish jig number at the end of that show - do you know if that was tracked from a library cue/other production or if it was recorded specifically for that episode.
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Jan 11, 2023 - 9:07 AM
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Broughtfan
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Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
Boughtfan - Regarding IAT episode, "The Cave Family Swingers", do you have any infomation about when the prescores were recorded for that episode (i.e. the "dinosaur stew" instrumental and overdub). Were they on 1/16/67 or another date? Also, there is a kind of Scottish jig number at the end of that show - do you know if that was tracked from a library cue/other production or if it was recorded specifically for that episode.
TVS -
The "Swingers" session also included cues for two GI shows, The Second Ginger Grant and Slave Girl and included only three players: drums (John W's brother Jerry), bass and guitar. Session was three and three-quarter hours (9:00 - 12:45), Don Ray is credited as orchestrator (an indication he composed the cues).
That's all I have on it. I'll look at the episode, try to determine if the cues mentioned were written for GI or tracked from CBS Library (the latter being rare once Mort Stevens took over from Herschel Burke Gilbert).*
* - I recall only one instance where an S1 GI cue was tracked into an S2 show. S3, as I remember, doesn't contain even a single S2 cue (though there are some tracked IAT cues in late season GI shows, both series ending production about the same time in 1967).
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Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
Boughtfan - Regarding IAT episode, "The Cave Family Swingers", do you have any infomation about when the prescores were recorded for that episode (i.e. the "dinosaur stew" instrumental and overdub). Were they on 1/16/67 or another date? Also, there is a kind of Scottish jig number at the end of that show - do you know if that was tracked from a library cue/other production or if it was recorded specifically for that episode.
TVS -
The "Swingers" session also included cues for two GI shows, The Second Ginger Grant and Slave Girl and included only three players: drums (John W's brother Jerry), bass and guitar. Session was three and three-quarter hours (9:00 - 12:45), Don Ray is credited as orchestrator (an indication he composed the cues).
That's all I have on it. I'll look at the episode, try to determine if the cues mentioned were written for GI or tracked from CBS Library (the latter being rare once Mort Stevens took over from Herschel Burke Gilbert).*
* - I recall only one instance where an S1 GI cue was tracked into an S2 show. S3, as I remember, doesn't contain even a single S2 cue (though there are some tracked IAT cues in late season GI shows, both series ending production about the same time in 1967).
I'm happily lapping up every detail in this entire thread! Gilligan's Island is and always has been my favourite TV show, and its music is such a part of me I feel like it flows through my very veins. I think a complete soundtrack release of all three seasons might be my last remaining grail.
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I'm happily lapping up every detail in this entire thread! Gilligan's Island is and always has been my favourite TV show, and its music is such a part of me I feel like it flows through my very veins. I think a complete soundtrack release of all three seasons might be my last remaining grail.
I am too! It's so fascinating to learn the details that went into recording the iconic music used in the series. A complete soundtrack release with good linear notes would be fantastic - I think there is certainly enough demand for it. We can always hope...
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Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
Boughtfan, I'm in need of your assistance once again. Could you help me with the recording dates for the following if you have them:
Gilligan's Mother In Law (S2)
Voodoo (S3)
Pass The Vegetables Please (S3)
Also, were there any recording sessions that you know of that were purely for recording library cues for GI or were they always just recorded at the end of other scores?
Thanks as always for all your help!
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Jan 26, 2023 - 12:14 PM
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Broughtfan
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Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
Boughtfan, I'm in need of your assistance once again. Could you help me with the recording dates for the following if you have them:
Gilligan's Mother In Law (S2)
Voodoo (S3)
Pass The Vegetables Please (S3)
Also, were there any recording sessions that you know of that were purely for recording library cues for GI or were they always just recorded at the end of other scores?
Thanks as always for all your help!
TVS -
I’m away, so don’t have my session reports at hand. However, I can tell you that Fried’s score for Gilligan’s Mother in Law was recorded 13 August, 1965, the same day Mort Stevens conducted the S2 Titles session (revised arrangement by Ian Freebairn-Smith). I believe Voodoo/Hair Today were recorded 7 June, 1966, Pass the Vegetables/There’s A Will a few weeks later but before Gilligan VS Gilligan/Up at Bat, Fried’s penultimate GI session (Ring Around Gilligan, recorded early September 1966 with Don Ray’s Man with a Net, was Fried’s final complete score for the series).
In my research I know of no GI Library session taking place (either conducted by Herschel Gilbert or Mort Stevens), those cues almost always recorded near the end of an hour-long drama session (WWW, Gunsmoke), at least during the Stevens years.
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Boughtfan - Regarding IAT episode, "The Cave Family Swingers", do you have any infomation about when the prescores were recorded for that episode (i.e. the "dinosaur stew" instrumental and overdub). Were they on 1/16/67 or another date? Also, there is a kind of Scottish jig number at the end of that show - do you know if that was tracked from a library cue/other production or if it was recorded specifically for that episode.
TVS -
The "Swingers" session also included cues for two GI shows, The Second Ginger Grant and Slave Girl and included only three players: drums (John W's brother Jerry), bass and guitar. Session was three and three-quarter hours (9:00 - 12:45), Don Ray is credited as orchestrator (an indication he composed the cues).
That's all I have on it. I'll look at the episode, try to determine if the cues mentioned were written for GI or tracked from CBS Library (the latter being rare once Mort Stevens took over from Herschel Burke Gilbert).*
* - I recall only one instance where an S1 GI cue was tracked into an S2 show. S3, as I remember, doesn't contain even a single S2 cue (though there are some tracked IAT cues in late season GI shows, both series ending production about the same time in 1967).
Hi Boughtfan, I managed to get a copy of the IAT tape recorded on 1/16/67. It featured a lot of the underscores for Cave Family Swingers but not the underscore for the "World Famous Ballet" segment (the cue used towards the end of the episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SLYLui2RQ at 21:40). According to my notes, the episode was filmed in December 1966/ January 1967 so I imagine it was recorded sometime between those two months. Do you have any additional information or even an idea of possible sessions it might have been recorded at? I don't expect you to, but I thought I would ask just in case.
Also, regarding the Gilligan Island cues, do you know if individual cues were ever given titles or simply just a cue number (i.e. GIL 203, GIL 204, etc)?
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Apr 12, 2023 - 10:10 AM
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Broughtfan
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Boughtfan - Regarding IAT episode, "The Cave Family Swingers", do you have any infomation about when the prescores were recorded for that episode (i.e. the "dinosaur stew" instrumental and overdub). Were they on 1/16/67 or another date? Also, there is a kind of Scottish jig number at the end of that show - do you know if that was tracked from a library cue/other production or if it was recorded specifically for that episode.
TVS -
The "Swingers" session also included cues for two GI shows, The Second Ginger Grant and Slave Girl and included only three players: drums (John W's brother Jerry), bass and guitar. Session was three and three-quarter hours (9:00 - 12:45), Don Ray is credited as orchestrator (an indication he composed the cues).
That's all I have on it. I'll look at the episode, try to determine if the cues mentioned were written for GI or tracked from CBS Library (the latter being rare once Mort Stevens took over from Herschel Burke Gilbert).*
* - I recall only one instance where an S1 GI cue was tracked into an S2 show. S3, as I remember, doesn't contain even a single S2 cue (though there are some tracked IAT cues in late season GI shows, both series ending production about the same time in 1967).
Hi Boughtfan, I managed to get a copy of the IAT tape recorded on 1/16/67. It featured a lot of the underscores for Cave Family Swingers but not the underscore for the "World Famous Ballet" segment (the cue used towards the end of the episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SLYLui2RQ at 21:40). According to my notes, the episode was filmed in December 1966/ January 1967 so I imagine it was recorded sometime between those two months. Do you have any additional information or even an idea of possible sessions it might have been recorded at? I don't expect you to, but I thought I would ask just in case.
Also, regarding the Gilligan Island cues, do you know if individual cues were ever given titles or simply just a cue number (i.e. GIL 203, GIL 204, etc)?
I can help with the second inquiry, TVS. All of the GI cues I saw included titles, Fried having some really clever ones, one that comes particularly to mind is “Fellowship of the Ring” from S3’s Ring Around Gilligan (mad scientist returns to island, controlling the castaways’ actions with hypnotizer rings).
Otherwise, Fried and Don Ray generally used general descriptive titles or dialogue references: Periscope, Japanese Flag, Sky Rocket, Laundry Man, Hot Syrup, Vampire Stew, Wasps, Cold Neck, Enter Lord B., Cheerio, Chaps, Hot Foots, Rehearsal, Giant Spider, Opening, etc.
Williams’ pilot score has titles such as Zoomsville, Skipper Snub, Gabby Girls, Who Goes There?, Long Distance, HELP, etc.
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I'm looking for the "Friendly Physician" episode tapes (part of the 2-25-1966 session with Gunsmoke and Perry Mason) but it doesn't show in CBS archive at UCLA. Anyone know where it might be?
In my experience, the CBS archive at UCLA is about 80% complete. For some reason, there are tapes which just seem to be missing with no explaination. Perhaps they were lost through the years or maybe they were simply miscataloged. When I can't find something by date, I try looking by reel number in case the date was typed in wrong in the finding aid. In this case, Feb 10, 1966 seems to be the last recording held for the 1965-66 year, meaning the others must have been lost or misplaced. Maybe someone else has some better information, but that's the best I could come up with.
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Apr 13, 2023 - 7:18 PM
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Last Child
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I'm looking for the "Friendly Physician" episode tapes (part of the 2-25-1966 session with Gunsmoke and Perry Mason) but it doesn't show in CBS archive at UCLA. Anyone know where it might be?
In my experience, the CBS archive at UCLA is about 80% complete. For some reason, there are tapes which just seem to be missing with no explaination. Perhaps they were lost through the years or maybe they were simply miscataloged. When I can't find something by date, I try looking by reel number in case the date was typed in wrong in the finding aid. In this case, Feb 10, 1966 seems to be the last recording held for the 1965-66 year, meaning the others must have been lost or misplaced. Maybe someone else has some better information, but that's the best I could come up with.
I've noticed the occasional date typo too, and searched by the day/month, or just the month. Long shot, but thought someone here might know.
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