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 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The are listing both in the list just above. A little odd to have the revised and the original one after the other instead of the final version in the film order and the other with the bonus cues, especially when they have a bonus section, but as long as the final version is on the CD, I don't really care.

I suspect it's because, in this case, one can't exist without the other. I don't think Goldsmith re-scored the whole ending of the film, just the fight sequence/new Enterprise rescue. So the way the music is presented here, you get the re-scored fight sequence ("revised" 5 mins), then you get the whole cue as originally conceived, leading through the farewells and beam-outs ("original" 7 mins) and into the end credits.

Had the album version been put on as an "extra" there would have been a musical gap in the program, since the farewells would have been missing from the score segment.

Without hearing it, I can't say for sure - but this would make sense.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

If so, than yeah, I agree. Without hearing it, by the titles, they look like two pieces of music: one revised, one original.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

If so, than yeah, I agree. Without hearing it, by the titles, they look like two pieces of music: one revised, one original.

Yup. So hopefully "End Credits" will play out like it is in the film, I mean with the flute notes going on first right after the revised "Healing Process".

I'm glad they updated the track list. Now I'm really excited about getting this score. smile

It'll be interesting to see if the unmentionable is needed for clean intros / endings but I suspect it might not be.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

By the way regarding First Contact there were only like two other alternates on the unmentionable that weren't included because the orchestrations were NOT that much different compared to the ones used in the film / on the CD.

I don't blame them for not including those two.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It'll be interesting to see if the unmentionable is needed for clean intros / endings but I suspect it might not be.

The only real "issue" I have with the segues is attaching The Planet to The Children's Story. The former has a gorgeous ending, the latter a strong opening. I like them apart on the unmentionable but... we'll see.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

It'll be interesting to see if the unmentionable is needed for clean intros / endings but I suspect it might not be.

The only real "issue" I have with the segues is attaching The Planet to The Children's Story. The former has a gorgeous ending, the latter a strong opening. I like them apart on the unmentionable but... we'll see.


I love how we all mind as well be referring to the unmentionable by name at this point, we're all referring to it so much. haha.

I'll have to go back and check how long the final running time of the climax cue actually is in the movie - I think it's entirely possible it's shorter to begin with, since the whole reason it was re-scored was because the entire sequence was redone.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

CD version of the finale: 4:21

Film version: 5:00

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   adamclark83   (Member)

Lukas, the OST stated on the cover it was a 24-bit digital recording. How will the sound quality differ on this complete score release?

Also, how will the end credits differ? For example, the film had one rendition of the TOS theme before going into the TMP theme whereas the OST had two.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Burk Whittenburg   (Member)

Yeesh, this board completely boggles me sometimes. Instead of starting a new thread, this is jumped on a generically titled old thread.....why? Once again it seems as if some people here must read every single post...


And personally, I'm MUCH happier with just the one disc instead of an extremely redundant second disc of the same damn recordings.


Agreed

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Hi Gang, I don't mean to be blowing off some important questions, but when it's an FSM title, I'm the label and it's easy for me to just answer and reveal or not reveal things as I think best. When I'm working for another label, be it Crescendo or La La Land or Intrada or anyone else, I don't like to engage in the public communication unless the label specifically asks me to, or they clear me ahead of time to answer something. I'd ask people to please be patient and you'll see that the album sequence is jam-packed to present the complete score and alternates in a way that makes sense and fits on the album. Regarding to the two versions of "The Healing Process," there was no way to join the revised version (for the action music) to the original version (for the warm denouement music)—you'll notice in the film itself, there's some editing weirdness that would NOT make sense to replicate musically on the CD. So we ran the complete revised cue, then the complete original cue. It's really Mike Matessino who did this, just as he did for many of the other Star Trek expanded editions, so you're in good hands. I wish I could answer all the questions, but in some cases I don't know the answers, and in other cases, remember that you've got different labels and personnel at both Paramount and CBS and I don't want to get into how the sausage is made. I am looking at my personal iTunes where I have folders, from the CDs-as-released (not my secret stash or anything), of Star Trek movies 1-9 complete, of ST:TOS complete, of ST:TNG Ron Jones complete, and some great albums from TNG and DS9...so I think we are doing a lot right!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Thanks for the info, Lukas.

Don't worry, I'm patient. Impatient, but patient. smile

I have to say, even though the OST might be an original program with different versions/whatever than the expanded release here, I suspect I'll be listening to the expanded far more often.

This I've found with all of the expansions.

Every one of the expanded Star Trek score CDs are fantastic, and to my mind, the definitive presentations.

I can't help but feel like we are all being spoiled rotten.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Absolutely. I´m looking forward to the new release very much.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

All I'm worried about is that all these post of people saying they are "waiting for insurrection" or "looking forward to insurrection" has led the PRISM program to set of alarm bells and the NSA is watching us as we speak...

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

...so I think we are doing a lot right!

Indeed you do!
Looking forward to Insurrection!

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Lukas,

When you, Neil, Mike Matessino and the rest of the gang are involved in these releases I know the scores are in good hands.

I for one am really looking forward to getting my copy of this release. smile

I just pray and HOPE when ever Varese decides to do Nemesis.... IF they do that they involve you guys too so they don't half ass it like they did the Trek 09 "Deluxe Edition".

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Regarding to the two versions of "The Healing Process," there was no way to join the revised version (for the action music) to the original version (for the warm denouement music)—you'll notice in the film itself, there's some editing weirdness that would NOT make sense to replicate musically on the CD. So we ran the complete revised cue, then the complete original cue.

Many thanks for answering this one anyway! I was content to wait hear it, but still very much appreciated.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   cdelelee   (Member)

Hi Gang, I don't mean to be blowing off some important questions, but when it's an FSM title, I'm the label and it's easy for me to just answer and reveal or not reveal things as I think best. When I'm working for another label, be it Crescendo or La La Land or Intrada or anyone else, I don't like to engage in the public communication unless the label specifically asks me to, or they clear me ahead of time to answer something. I'd ask people to please be patient and you'll see that the album sequence is jam-packed to present the complete score and alternates in a way that makes sense and fits on the album. Regarding to the two versions of "The Healing Process," there was no way to join the revised version (for the action music) to the original version (for the warm denouement music)—you'll notice in the film itself, there's some editing weirdness that would NOT make sense to replicate musically on the CD. So we ran the complete revised cue, then the complete original cue. It's really Mike Matessino who did this, just as he did for many of the other Star Trek expanded editions, so you're in good hands. I wish I could answer all the questions, but in some cases I don't know the answers, and in other cases, remember that you've got different labels and personnel at both Paramount and CBS and I don't want to get into how the sausage is made. I am looking at my personal iTunes where I have folders, from the CDs-as-released (not my secret stash or anything), of Star Trek movies 1-9 complete, of ST:TOS complete, of ST:TNG Ron Jones complete, and some great albums from TNG and DS9...so I think we are doing a lot right!

Lukas


You're doing more than a lot right. Dunno if you'll read this, but let me explain.
I love ST TOS and the Kirk movies since I'm a kid, but didn't like the TNG stuff (except Goldsmith's scores). Then your CDs arrrived, namely FSM's Ron Jones box, LLL's TNG and DSN, GNP's BoBW... Loved the music, really. So I tried again to watch the series, and... liked it, more and more. Am I a Trek fan now ? Yes. Thanks to you and to the passion of your projects, of Jeff's liner notes which pushed me to revisit the TNG series.
So... Go where no label has gone before, you'll find me ! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   ChristianKühn   (Member)

Very happy to give another boot the boot. smile

Thanks mucho to all involved!

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2013 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   adamclark83   (Member)

With the track-by-track liner notes which I thoroughly enjoy reading, what I don't understand is how easily Intrada and La La Land Records can have them within the enclosed booklets but GNP can't.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2013 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Verity   (Member)

With the track-by-track liner notes which I thoroughly enjoy reading, what I don't understand is how easily Intrada and La La Land Records can have them within the enclosed booklets but GNP can't.

I am assuming it is a cost saving measure. Not having to pay for the printing keeps their prices down, so they offer it digitally instead. That's my guess at least. smile

 
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