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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I used to drive from Ostend (Belgium) all the way to Cologne to spend a day in Saturn Music Store. Those were the days !!!!!!

Yes... 1990 and early 2000s... terrific.
I remember there were people in the store with shopping baskets full of CDs. :-)
I still stop by now and then (can do it on lunch break).... and even pick up CDs there once in a while...

Interestingly, they do have a growing vinyl section again. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

Depends on what the hobby is. Listening to music , or collecting shiny objects.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm referring to 10-15 years from now. Will the boutique labels be allowed to offer their LEs as downloads? Will CD plants still be around?

What do you guys think?


If all goes well, in 10 or 15 years, the boutique labels will have released all the major and minor grails long ago. I expect the studios will sell the downloads themselves perpetually, as has been the arrangement all along.

As for optical discs, my hope (and belief) is that they will continue to be produced in reduced numbers. They're becoming less essential with each passing year, but there are enough people who expect or demand hard copies for their collections that their sales probably won't be ignored. However this may be more true for movies than music, as for whatever reason movies seem more collectible to more people.

For CD consumers like most of us, the time to worry is when the players are no longer made, not the discs. CD production could stop tomorrow, but as long as existing discs can be played, we're fine. When they can't be played anymore, then it's a dead format.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

For CD consumers like most of us, the time to worry is when the players are no longer made, not the discs. CD production could stop tomorrow, but as long as existing discs can be played, we're fine. When they can't be played anymore, then it's a dead format.


Exactly true.
But seeing as the manufacture of turntables have never stopped, I am foolishly optimistic that CD players can expect the same regard.
I don't use my turntable often, but I sure am glad it's there. I have a ton of stuff that was only ever available on vinyl.
Dang it, I've got to get around to digitizing stuff one of these days.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

DVD and Blu-ray players play CDs. CDs won't die unless all 5" optical disc media dies. People want to own things, so the future beyond optical discs for audio and video recordings maybe memory chips or something yet to be invented.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

DVD and Blu-ray players play CDs. CDs won't die unless all 5" optical disc media dies. People want to own things, so the future beyond optical discs for audio and video recordings maybe memory chips or something yet to be invented.

I find it odd that the industry is still providing DVD's with the Blurays. I can understand if their trying to off load old stock, but their doing it for new releases too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

DVD and Blu-ray players play CDs. CDs won't die unless all 5" optical disc media dies. People want to own things, so the future beyond optical discs for audio and video recordings maybe memory chips or something yet to be invented.


Years ago Brian Eno theorized that music albums would be encoded onto the mag stripe of credit-card-type cards.
You would have a player in which you would insert or swipe the card.
I thought that was a great idea and I'm certain it could be done right now.

They would be as cheap as borscht to produce and the problem of roomspace in which to keep them would be literally non-existent.

Mmmmm.... borscht.....

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)


I find it odd that the industry is still providing DVD's with the Blurays. I can understand if their trying to off load old stock, but their doing it for new releases too.


I think it's a way to promote upgrading to Blu-ray. People still only having DVD players can buy the combo packs, have their DVDs to watch for now, but have the BD for future upgrade. Also, many people will have a BD player in the living room, but still only a DVD player in the bedroom or kid's room.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I'm sure my CD and LP players will function in 10-15 years time too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

If all goes well, in 10 or 15 years, the boutique labels will have released all the major and minor grails long ago. I expect the studios will sell the downloads themselves perpetually, as has been the arrangement all along..

Problem is with those pesky third party titles, which many of the expansions are. You know, the ones that have OST tracks owned by a record label, unreleased film tracks owned by the studio, and require a third party like LLL or Intrada to marry the two into one gorgeous release.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I find it odd that the industry is still providing DVD's with the Blurays. I can understand if their trying to off load old stock, but their doing it for new releases too.


I think it's a way to promote upgrading to Blu-ray. People still only having DVD players can buy the combo packs, have their DVDs to watch for now, but have the BD for future upgrade. Also, many people will have a BD player in the living room, but still only a DVD player in the bedroom or kid's room.


Okay that makes sense.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

The (mostly) boutique labels that serve us have led the way in to the 21st Century with their comprehensive and meticulously produced albums.

Let's hope they trailblaze downloads, with hi-res sound and graphics, also. As the major labels tend to do desultory releases of our type of material, it'll take the Fakes, Kendalls, Matessino's et al. to nudge them into doing downloads right.

Good luck fellows!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Let's hope they trailblaze downloads, with hi-res sound and graphics, also. As the major labels tend to do desultory releases of our type of material, it'll take the Fakes, Kendalls, Matessino's et al. to nudge them into doing downloads right.
Good luck fellows!



I'll raise a glass to that.
Well said.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

DVD and Blu-ray players play CDs. CDs won't die unless all 5" optical disc media dies. People want to own things, so the future beyond optical discs for audio and video recordings maybe memory chips or something yet to be invented.

Yes, I was working on the assumption everyone knows CDs can be played on any kind of player. The difficulty is that discs in general are facing sustainability challenges, so the death of optical discs in 10 or 15 years isn't inconceivable. And again, if it does happen it will be because players are no longer made. I do believe ultimately that the future for discs is more dependent on player availability than anything else.

But as you say, people want to own things. Hopefully that doesn't change. Frankly I don't see us moving to another hard copy format. Memory chips are already the future (and the present), coming in the form of solid state drives, which are in line to become a major aspect of data storage in the next 10 or 15. But drives are not hard copies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Was it not too long ago that Apple had a problem customers mysteriously losing their music from their digital devices? It was over some rights or expiration issues. Anyway this is exactly why customers still want the physical media on their shelves.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

DVD and Blu-ray players play CDs. CDs won't die unless all 5" optical disc media dies. People want to own things, so the future beyond optical discs for audio and video recordings maybe memory chips or something yet to be invented.

Years ago Brian Eno theorized that music albums would be encoded onto the mag stripe of credit-card-type cards.
You would have a player in which you would insert or swipe the card.


They used spinning napkin rings in Pal's Time Machine.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Nice. smile

Ahhh, the future.
I can't wait.

And where is my flying car??
Helloooo??
Sciennnnnce??

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Was it not too long ago that Apple had a problem customers mysteriously losing their music from their digital devices? It was over some rights or expiration issues. Anyway this is exactly why customers still want the physical media on their shelves.


No. There was a problem with two persons iTunes database where the program couldn't *find* parts of their libraries. Therefore iTunes downloaded new versions -- they were both Apple Music subscribers. Nothing was deleted.

Amazon, however, did delete a bought book (I believe it was 1984!) on Kindles when their license expired. They saw their fault, apologized and corrected the mistake.

I believe that's the only incidents where through bought licenses downloaded music was (erroneously) deleted.

#mindfakenews

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Amazon, however, did delete a bought book (I believe it was 1984!) on Kindles when their license expired.

Actually, their license didn't expire. Amazon was alerted that the book had been added to their system by somebody who didn't hold the rights. So they refunded the purchase price and remotely deleted it from anybody who'd bought it this copy of the most ironic possible book to have this happen to.

Otherwise, though, you are correct. The "Apple took my music files!" story was a misunderstanding. Downloaded music is not removed, though certainly music can be removed from streaming services.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2017 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Was it not too long ago that Apple had a problem customers mysteriously losing their music from their digital devices? It was over some rights or expiration issues. Anyway this is exactly why customers still want the physical media on their shelves.


No. There was a problem with two persons iTunes database where the program couldn't *find* parts of their libraries. Therefore iTunes downloaded new versions -- they were both Apple Music subscribers. Nothing was deleted.

Amazon, however, did delete a bought book (I believe it was 1984!) on Kindles when their license expired. They saw their fault, apologized and corrected the mistake.

I believe that's the only incidents where through bought licenses downloaded music was (erroneously) deleted.

#mindfakenews


I actually had an iTunes-purchased song deleted from my cloud. I'd switched devices and never recovered it from the cloud, then when I went to find it again it was grayed out and also nowhere to be found in iTunes' store. Clearly the license had expired and the song was no longer being carried by iTunes. To be fair I haven't contacted iTunes yet, but as far as I'm aware there's no "newer" version of the song being carried in their store to replace it with. Maybe they'll just refund me the 99 cents, but that would still be a case of downloadable music lost where with physical the music would still be sitting in its case.

 
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