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I don't consider sitting on my ass and listening to music as a "hobby,"
Oh, but I surely do. :-)
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I'm sure this is sensitive and not so predictable topic, but I would love to hear thoughts from the folks running the labels. If anyone knows or has thoughts concrete on the matter, it would be them.
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I'm VERY nervous about the cost of shipping. All our friends overseas are hit over and over again with high shipping costs and then they have to pay a bunch of fees once it arrives in their country. I can't even imagine the cost in 10-15 years. Their greed just may get more and more people to stop buying stuff from the US, just too expensive.
Every generation there is a new generation of film music folks being born, I don't see that with this new crowd who grew up on Jablonsky and Beck and Trapanese etc. Their scores that are released are already pretty much complete. As time passes and the years continue people wanting all those great 60's and 70's and 80's scores will get fewer and fewer because the kids growing up did not grow up during that time so they are more interested in stuff that they did grow up with, the stuff in the late 90's and 2000's. AND that kind of writing is much different than the stuff many of us grew up with, with many themes and motifs and all that great stuff. Film music, a lot of it now a days, is trying to stay out of the way as per the director and producers wishes. Minimal the better.
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I actually had an iTunes-purchased song deleted from my cloud. I'd switched devices and never recovered it from the cloud, then when I went to find it again it was grayed out and also nowhere to be found in iTunes' store.
Seriously? Curious. Have you searched the music folder(s) on your old computer? Do you have an Apple Music subscription?
I do not have an Apple Music subscription. Also no way to search for the music on my old computer because it's completely dead. That's why I had to switch devices, haha.
Now that I think about it I think this was actually the case with 3 or 4 songs, but I never bothered to follow through with iTunes when I retrieved the rest of my music because I didn't care enough for those particular songs and I simply figured there was no way to retrieve them. Now though I'm kind of tempted to contact iTunes and see what would happen (even though I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't care for the songs).
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Dead Man Walking or should I say Limping? It would have been dead years ago, but people that want every single take of each piece,will double dip for 20 seconds of new discovered music. So, we have 2-4 releases of the same score, with the newer rerelease not always being better.
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Jan 14, 2017 - 5:31 AM
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Graham Watt
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... if not another shred of music were recorded or released for the rest of my life, I would not be phased in the least. I have accumulated plenty of music for one lifetime, much of it spun only a few times. I would like to enjoy the music that I do have and get more deeply into it. And if I ever run out, there is eBay, Amazon, YouTube, and Pandora.
Thus spake OnyaBirri. It might be slightly off-topic, but I actually expressed the same opinion years ago (can't remember if here or at the moviemusic site).
Having regurgitated that, you know that I am a fart of the oldest kind. I'm touchy-feely, even with what is essentially bits of plastic (or large squares of cardboard). I think presentation is important - not as important as "the music", but important nonetheless. If I see a release which has obviously been a labour of love, it's like a vindication of our "hobby", or whatever you want to call it. I'll feel sad when the day comes when everything just exists in space, as I will feel sad when books are no longer printed, or when we can only see artwork (Frank Frazetta or Miguel-Ángel del Techo Pintado) by looking at a screen.
Veering possibly even more off-topic (but maybe not - these rabbits are as uncontrollable as they are unpredictable), I wonder what will happen to all those old CDs which haven't sold out yet. Will they just sit forever in a warehouse? Dumped? Sold for a dollar each (plus 4 million dollars shipping)? Oh, if you haven't picked up FSM's very first release (before it was "FSM"), David Shire's THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1 2 3, I thoroughly recommend it. Released in May 1996, you can still get it for 16.95 at SAE. Don't hang around though - almost twenty-one years on it surely must be on the point of selling out.
I've still got a list of about 100 CDs on the FSM label alone which I "wouldn't half mind having". I'll never get them all. And I dont think I've actually listened to Shire's PELHAM in about three whole years. That's a great score. I'm going to play it right now.
Signed,
The Unfocussed Rabbit
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Jan 14, 2017 - 8:33 AM
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OnyaBirri
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...I think presentation is important - not as important as "the music", but important nonetheless. If I see a release which has obviously been a labour of love, it's like a vindication of our "hobby", or whatever you want to call it. I'll feel sad when the day comes when everything just exists in space, as I will feel sad when books are no longer printed, or when we can only see artwork (Frank Frazetta or Miguel-Ángel del Techo Pintado) by looking at a screen.
We are cavemen with laptops. Evolution does not keep pace with technological advances. We are inherently tactile creatures, and while digital files offer convenience for many of us, I suspect that there will always be those among us who treasure the physical object. There is, as you must know, a strong digital backlash among certain segments of millennials.
I wonder what will happen to all those old CDs which haven't sold out yet. Will they just sit forever in a warehouse? Dumped? Sold for a dollar each (plus 4 million dollars shipping)?
Graham, you are in the UK, correct? In the US, until a few years ago, you could find sealed original LP copies of Lalo Schifrin's "The Cincinnati Kid," Kenyon Hopkins' "Mr. Buddwing," and Alex North's ubiquitous "Shoes of the Fisherman" everywhere - at thrift stores, record stores, record shows, even flea markets - for short dough. I suspect that all those remaining copies of the Spartacus box set will meet a similar fate. People like me will scarf them up for short dough, and the vast majority of shoppers will pass right over them.
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I see your digital future. I see a future in which our labels release limited additions digitally. We will get digital booklets. That way the only cost is literally extracting the music and putting it up on the site. The only physical media would be autographs or people requesting physical booklets. So you would buy a la Stylotone the digital autographed version and you get a hardcopy autograph booklet and cd plus a digital version you could download. You will pay for quality meaning you will pay for Ray standard format lossy loss release and more for a lossless release. Where I think the challenge will be is how do you do limited editions of digital releases. But I'm guessing that's going to be solved sooner than later.
I don't see any of this happening any time soon!
Me neither. For one thing, the labels don't have download rights and won't have them. For another, I don't know what Stylotone is, but to me part of paying for quality is keeping it simple. Buying an autographed booklet and CD, and making my own digital copies, is simple. I don't know what I would do with a digital autograph, whatever that might be. Finally, the "only cost" to maintaining a digital store isn't just electricity and bandwidth, but even if it was, it would be prohibitive for small companies. This is why downloadable media isn't on every website on the internet. It isn't cheap. Storing CDs costs considerably less.
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Jan 14, 2017 - 10:23 AM
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Graham Watt
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Graham, you are in the UK, correct? In the US, until a few years ago, you could find sealed original LP copies of Lalo Schifrin's "The Cincinnati Kid," Kenyon Hopkins' "Mr. Buddwing," and Alex North's ubiquitous "Shoes of the Fisherman" everywhere - at thrift stores, record stores, record shows, even flea markets - for short dough. I suspect that all those remaining copies of the Spartacus box set will meet a similar fate. People like me will scarf them up for short dough, and the vast majority of shoppers will pass right over them.
Spain actually, not that it matters. Excuse my density, but where did all those sealed LPs you mention come from? And the "remaining copies of the Spartacus box set"? Who'll cart them off sealed to the thrift stores?
You're right when you said we're cavemen. I've just proven once more that I'm certainly one.
"TUMAK!"
"LUAAAANA!!!"
"AKEEEEEEEETA!!!!!"
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