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 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Bandolero!   (Member)

Isn't pushing back a film (from Christmas 2012 to Spring/Summer 2013) usually a bad sign?

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Isn't pushing back a film (from Christmas 2012 to Spring/Summer 2013) usually a bad sign?

It was delayed because the production ran out of money and Warner Bros. refused to give any more (the film was already a co-production but they needed even more financiers to complete it). The film tested okay (good but not great) but there were a lot of visual effects that weren't finished.

A similar thing happened with Gravity (however, that film tested worse and Warner Bros. actually did provide the money to finish its effects).

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

It's directly on Jay-Z; you're giving a comparrison on whether somebody like him could score, by bringing up Daft Punk and Danny Elfman, based on apabilities. Otherwise this is the wierdest paragraph with oddly coincidental combinations I've ever seen.

Isn't the connection that all three were musicians who were successful in other areas of music before getting into film scoring? We don't know how Jay-Z will do, but the other two worked out pretty well.



Often by other filmmusic professionals, many of whom were incapable of producing anything a 10th as interesting, but who might have, as you said, had "the skill, spen[t] a ton on schooling, and struggle to even get ONE assignment."

Well, their opinions are just that: opinions. The proof is in the pudding.


Wait, what pudding? Whose opinions? What are we talking about? Which two composer's puddings are we comparing? When do opinions ever count as "proof?" WHAT'S HAPPENING??!!?



...but I think of the big name composers with real talent, Herrmann, Rozsa, Goldsmith, Williams, Rosenman, Waxman, etc., and I can't recall any of them shooting their siblings, selling drugs. They may not have ad the most winning personalities, and may have had some harsh words here and there, but the true talent seems to go hand-in-hand with a certain general direction of living.

Good point. I'm sure none of the guys you mentioned ever did any drugs, or drank too much, cheated on their wives, or did anything even the least bit unsavory.



And to anybody: there's been plenty of lousy films with good or great scores. This will suck the monkey balls that some of of us suspect, but that doesn't mean we can't have a good score out of it. All is not lost yet, we could still end up with the Armstrong score.

Again, I'm no Baz Luhrmann fan, but we have no way of knowing that the film is going to be bad or that the music for it will be even worse until both are closer to being finished.

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

From what someone I know speculated, he said that most of Armstrong's score would probably stay in (since on the article he read on Jay-Z's involvement, Armstrong was never mentioned and the main source was not Jay-Z but a colleague of his) and Jay-Z's involvement would likely be limited to additional score and possibly a few songs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Wow, some of you guys have 99 problems, but a bitch DEFINITELY ain't one.

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Wow, some of you guys have 99 problems, but a bitch DEFINITELY ain't one.


LOL!

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

It's time to give the industry an intervention I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2013 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Isn't pushing back a film (from Christmas 2012 to Spring/Summer 2013) usually a bad sign?

Well... yes.

Something else that occurred to me: people queried using Daft Punk to score Tron: Legacy, but using electronic music specialists for a film set almost entirely in a video game environment does make sense.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Isn't pushing back a film (from Christmas 2012 to Spring/Summer 2013) usually a bad sign?

Well... yes.

Something else that occurred to me: people queried using Daft Punk to score Tron: Legacy, but using electronic music specialists for a film set almost entirely in a video game environment does make sense.


True. But "The Great Gatsby" is set in the 1920´s when rap was not the hip music at all.

Then again, it´s the Baz Luhrmann´s 1920´s - so it makes sense.

The real question is: will it work? Or will it be so jarringly unfitting that it hurts the movie?

Right now, I think the trailer would have worked (for me) much better with music from the 20´s.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

Just listen to the orchestral renditions of various progressive rock bands work or the classical music by the guys from progressive rock bands.

Unfortunately I have. Mostly banal, middle-of-the-road, Classic FM-style arrangements with little to no edge and a dull use of the orchestra. That said, I like Jaz Coleman's (from Killing Joke) work. His Symphonic Pink Floyd album is unusually nuanced and quite beautiful.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

Geez, so strong reactions for a score no one hasn't even HEARD yet?

In these parts? Absolutely!

The litany of apoplectic reactions that spring up like clockwork when a non-film score composer gets work as a film score composer makes for amusing, if somewhat tedious, reading. "Oh, the humanity!" roll eyes Boo-hoo. So Williams, Horner, Elfman, Greenwood, McCreary, Wintoury, Reznor, some unknown composer, or [insert your favorite composer here] didn't get the gig. Does it really matter that much? Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid that an "other" gets to play on the Sacred Film Score Playground! Does anyone here even listen to Jay Z or know anything about his contributions to the musical landscape beyond what Wikipedia says? Does anyone here besides me and one other person listen to Hip-Hop? (FULL DISCLOSURE: I listen to Old School and Golden Era Hip-Hop. I've never even heard Jay Z; he came around after I moved on to other genres.)

How many new hours of film, televsion, and video game music will be created in 2013? How much more will be released that's never been released before, period? Is it really so awful and world-shattering that Jay Z will contribute (maybe) 40-60 minutes to it? Will La-La Land shutter their doors when Jay Z drops his score? (Probably not.) Will Jay Z's score rock the film score community to its roots, ushering in a new era where other Hip-Hop luminaries such as Humpty Hump, B-Real, Erick Sermon, Slick Rick, and Bushwick Bill will force the Williams, Zimmers, and Horners to the fringe to scrape by, scoring only SyFy Original movies? (Unlikely.) Will Jay Z buy LLL's catalog and distribute it via his Roc-A-Fella label? (Doubtful. He does have oodles of cash, though...he could fund that DS9 "Complete Series Score Box Set" that I pine for....) Will Jay Z's music utterly destroy my enjoyment of LLL's imminent DS9 release? (Hell no!) Will Jay Z's score destroy the enjoyment I get listening to the scores I have now? (Um, no.)

We made it through the Mayan Apocalypse, but we didn't stop to consider Jay Z's film score! Oh my Science!

Back to the rabble....

EDIT: I see some of you know and listen to Jay Z. Please disregard and/or enjoy my sarcasm! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He, he....excellent post, Penelope! smile

For the record, I like some hip hop too -- especially old-school like Grandmaster Flash, Sugar Hill Gang, Run DMC, Public Enemy etc.

One should also be aware that just because Jay Z has a background as a hip hop artist, doesn't mean the score is going to sound like any given chart hit. Just listen to the stuff RZA has done, especially the superb GHOST DOG: WAY OF THE SAMURAI.

Let's just wait untill we announce the film music apocalypse, shall we?

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

He, he....excellent post, Penelope! smile

For the record, I like some hip hop too -- especially old-school like Grandmaster Flash, Sugar Hill Gang, Run DMC, Public Enemy etc.


Very nice, very nice! I still listen to all my hip-hop stuff every day. The first concert I ever attended was a Run-DMC and Naughty by Nature show....

One should also be aware that just because Jay Z has a background as a hip hop artist, doesn't mean the score is going to sound like any given chart hit. Just listen to the stuff RZA has done, especially the superb GHOST DOG: WAY OF THE SAMURAI.

Excellent point. Just because an artist makes their bread in butter in one specific area, it doesn't follow that they don't have musical skills in other genres. If anything, I would hope that (1) Jay Z produces something worthwhile and (2) even if he doesn't win "approval" from film score aficionados, his effort may spur an interest (however small) in film scores from his regular hip-hop fans, thereby ensuring that younger ears will discover what most here already have--great film and televsion scores and composers.

To spin it another way, Jay Z could inevitably be a "gateway drug" to the wacky, obsessive world of film score collecting! Ah yes....

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Just listen to the orchestral renditions of various progressive rock bands work or the classical music by the guys from progressive rock bands.

Unfortunately I have. Mostly banal, middle-of-the-road, Classic FM-style arrangements with little to no edge and a dull use of the orchestra. That said, I like Jaz Coleman's (from Killing Joke) work. His Symphonic Pink Floyd album is unusually nuanced and quite beautiful.


Have you listened to any of Kip Winger's (from Winger) ballets? Or perhaps some of Paul McCartney's classical music? Or maybe Tony Banks' (from Genesis) classical works?
Tony Banks wrote some fantastic stuff for orchestra although I've only heard one full work of his so far.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Have you listened to any of Kip Winger's (from Winger) ballets? Or perhaps some of Paul McCartney's classical music?

Maybe not the right example. McCartney's orchestral music is rather banal, sometimes pharaonic and grandiloquent too. Brr!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   vwing   (Member)

So I haven't read anywhere that Armstrong's not also doing the score to the film. In fact, if you read the LA Times article, it implies that the studio maintains that Armstrong is still attached as a composer, and that Jay-Z and "The Bullitts" (who is Seal's brother) are contributing additional score.

Unless it is confirmed that Armstrong is rejected, it's probably much more likely that it's going to be a classic situation where Jay-Z contributes some music for certain scenes but the actual dramatic underscore will be by Armstrong, and I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I love that there are so many F. Scott Fitzgerald fans here! I had no idea! I know this awful news had me clutching my worn copy of TGG ( as we devotees call it) with great worry and concern! Now I am off to post again on the hundreds of threads here extolling the virtues of this Great American Novel and its fascinating author. I also love how you guys all dress up like your favorite Lost Generation "characters" instead of like those Star Track guys, Captain Quark and Dr. Spock. The FSM Board has become THE 1920s destination!

Back on topic: It's Baz Luhrmann we're talking about so this "unconventional" scoring choice is not shocking. At all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Senn555   (Member)

Geez, so strong reactions for a score no one hasn't even HEARD yet?

Jay-Z is very Lay-Z!

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

Geez, so strong reactions for a score no one hasn't even HEARD yet?

it's the FSM pastime. remember when the composer for "Prometheus" was announced? can't wait for the next time we hear about a project that Tyler Bates or Harry Gregson Williams get attached to. should be positive and uplifting

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2013 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Are you upset because you feel JAY Z is not a good composer? i have not heard enough of his music to voice an opinion.

In the case of Jay Z, the title "composer" must be used very loosely.

Have you listened to any of Kip Winger's (from Winger) ballets? Or perhaps some of Paul McCartney's classical music?

Comparing Jay Z to Paul McCartney is a joke if I've ever heard it. One's a musician. One sucks on ice. (The musician is English)

 
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