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 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   scatmanjack   (Member)

Anyone else have packaging issues with the deluxe edition? Set looked fine in the plastic shrink wrap but when I opened it, the booklet is barely attached to the cover. One staple is completely ripped out and the other is hanging on for dear life... Perhaps an email to WaterTower is in order...

Paul

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Sooooo, let's say I like the score. Is it really worth getting the deluxe edition?

Are the tracks vastly extended?


Absolutely yes! You get almost 20 minutes total of additional score material. That alone would be enough to justify the extra few bucks in my book. But in the deal, you also get gorgeous packaging, handwritten examples of Howard Shore's themes (including a fold-out sketch page) and wonderful in-depth liner notes by Doug Adams that will greatly enhance your appreciation of the music. (I believe Doug's notes are EXCLUSIVE to the deluxe edition this time around! Someone please correct me if that's wrong.) Finally, if you have the free WaterTower app, you can access additional content like a music video and the ability to scan Shore's music examples and hear them played.

If you need more convincing, here's a thorough video review from TheOneRing.net:




Ok, cool. Thanks. The price difference was vast (at this particular store) $36.99 for the deluxe as opposed to $14.99 for the standard. I'll just have to look for a better price .

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

The price difference was vast (at this particular store) $36.99 for the deluxe as opposed to $14.99 for the standard. I'll just have to look for a better price .

Dang! I found the delux edition at Wal-mart for $19.95

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

An opinion posed as question. From the "maybe it's me" department.

Is it me or do the songs from these two Hobbit movies seriously, seriously suck?

As a rule, I'm not huge into doing the "James Horner thing" of adding a song to a film but the LOTR ones were pretty strong, particularly the one for ROTK. But the two for these new films are of that horrible indie music hipster "I heard Springsteen's Nebraska when I was a little kid in 1998 and I wish I could write like that" bullcrap.


When installing into my iTunes, I deselected these songs. Didn't like them at all.

I seem to remember that Shore said that for the LotR films he composed the music based on reading the books and not seeing the film clips. Am I right about that?

For these films I believe he was scoring from the film clips?

If these are correct, then could that have made the difference between these films scores and the LotR scores?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

An opinion posed as question. From the "maybe it's me" department.

Is it me or do the songs from these two Hobbit movies seriously, seriously suck?

As a rule, I'm not huge into doing the "James Horner thing" of adding a song to a film but the LOTR ones were pretty strong, particularly the one for ROTK. But the two for these new films are of that horrible indie music hipster "I heard Springsteen's Nebraska when I was a little kid in 1998 and I wish I could write like that" bullcrap.



Not just you. Me too. They utterly, totally suck.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

I have finished playing The Desolation of Smaug through my audio system using proac speakers and what a revelation. The music really comes alive.

Usually I can get the power of music pretty much through my headphones, but in this case using my stereo setup has added an extra dimension to the listening experience - well for me anyway.

I am very much growing into these scores. They are certainly, as I said before, very different beasts to TLotR scores IMO.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

Considering the popularity of the LotR scores, it's quite quiet on the Hobbit score front... wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

There are literally pages of discussion per day on these scores over at JWFan....

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

I was talking about this forum.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

My review of THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG, for anyone who is interested (from the other thread):

http://moviemusicuk.us/2013/12/15/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-howard-shore/

Jon

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Why did you review the shorter version of the score, Jon? Asking for a friend.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

Why did you review the shorter version of the score, Jon? Asking for a friend.

Consistency with the other reviews, mainly, as I had already set that precedent. I review the shorter version as, for the most part, I think this tends to be the biggest seller, and then just acknowledge the differences between it and the deluxe version.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

Very good read, Jon. Thanks for sharing!

Karol

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I think I hit a LOTR wall while watching this film.
Similar to how I felt nearing the end of the Harry Potter franchise, it just got to the point where I'd seen enough of the same old shit and my body just went into hibernate/self protect mode, through sheer boredom.
Everything seems to have gotten even CGI-ier, scenes endlessly repeat themselves (orcs attack, 20 million vs 3 elves and it's a lose...oh wait, we hit one in the leg...spiders again...Gandalf repels dark smoke/bad guy again and so on!!).
The thought of another 3 hours next year makes we want to...not go!

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2013 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

I enjoyed The Desolation of Smaug as a movie a lot more than An Unexpected Journey.

This movie has much better pacing throughout than An Unexpected Journey and kept me entertained in the theater.

I have listened to the soundtrack a few times and I think I prefer the score from An Unexpected Journey more but I also enjoyed the 2013 one.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I thought the movie was really good, better than the first one. I could have done with a much briefer version of the Dwarves vs. Smaug sequence. I understand the need, dramatically, to have the dwarves face him (it doesn't happen in the book), but having it be a 30-minute sequence full of gags and no consequences neuters Smaug of some of his menace.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

There are literally pages of discussion per day on these scores over at JWFan....

JWFan really seems to be the center of Middle Earth music!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   alexlim   (Member)

In the film the soundtrack seemed quite insignificant, making obvious comments in obvious moments. Including, in my opinion, the composer failed when he was unable to create an atmosphere of suspense in a crucial sequence in the film: when Bildo falls in the cave / mine where the dragon is.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

In the film the soundtrack seemed quite insignificant, making obvious comments in obvious moments. Including, in my opinion, the composer failed when he was unable to create an atmosphere of suspense in a crucial sequence in the film: when Bildo falls in the cave / mine where the dragon is.

Oh, Shore scored that part. Peter Jackson took it out.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I thought the movie was really good, better than the first one. I could have done with a much briefer version of the Dwarves vs. Smaug sequence. I understand the need, dramatically, to have the dwarves face him (it doesn't happen in the book), but having it be a 30-minute sequence full of gags and no consequences neuters Smaug of some of his menace.

Interesting perspective on the finale. I was mostly so sucked into the scene that I didn't notice anything like this but it is a fair complaint.

 
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