Really. He had an alien tentacle around the the neck and after they shot the alien he was glassy eyes and lifeless. They even say he's dead in the movie.
Brent Spiner is filming sequel, so dr. Okun was either not killed (coma maybe), or is returning in some other form (flashbacks, alienated...).
This movie represented something I miss in movies. The ability to just have fun and not take itself too seriously. It never advertised itself as the next Shakespearean classic. It advertised itself as two hours of non-stop explosions, one-liners, and popcorn movie fun. . . . but it represents what movies lack sometimes: The ability to bend reality just a little without worrying every little single detail is possible in real life. I'm there to watch a movie, so wow me, if I wanted to watch 100 percent real life I'd sit on a park bench and people watch.
And the movies that have grossed a billion+ dollars this year so far are Jurassic World, Furious 7 and Avengers 2. Big silly movies that are there to wow people with popcorn movie fun. Maybe not quite as goofy as ID4 but is it not the same idea?
Haha, you know, just as I posted this, I thought of all those. But up until this year, for me personally, I didn't feel a lot of the movies that came out. Maybe I'm bias towards the movies I grew up with.
As filmmakers, Roland and I treasure David Arnold's talent and dedication. This is our second film with Mr. Arnold and we look forward to continuing this fruitful collaboration for years and years to come.
- Dean Devlin, CD booklet note, 1996.
So much for that.
Didn't Devlin / Emmerich sort of signal the end of these liner note sentiments 15 years ago when they fired Arnold off THE PATRIOT and then never worked with him again? The bigger surprise for me would have been if Arnold actually were reuniting with them for the sequel.
Okay, here's one from the liner notes of the 2010 LLL release:
But would Arnold come back for that? Devlin hopes so. "When you make a dish that everybody loves, you don't want to change that recipe," he said. "So our hope, if we can do it, is to really try to bring back as many pieces of that recipe as possible."
The more I'm reading into this, I'm finding that either Devlin is full of shit or he wields nowhere near the level of power or influence on this production that he had on the first film. The evidence seems to suggest that Kloser/Wanker got the gig by default with no questions asked and I would speculate that Devlin probably wasn't even consulted.
It'll be interesting to hear from these people about a decade from now when they'll feel safe to be more candid about it.
Arnold gave ID4 such a hugely identifiable sound, I don't see anyone but him as the only contender. Just like John Williams is the voice of Star Wars.
I don't think this is remotely true outside of the denizens of a message board like this. We pay attention to these things. Other people do not. And while the "Star Wars" theme is widely known in the general population, and many people would quickly recognize the Force theme or Darth Vader's march, I'd be shocked if you could find anybody who could identify the music from "Independence Day" within five square miles of wherever you are now (not counting yourself).
To be perfectly honest, I'm not that familiar with Arnold and his projects. I don't actually have the ID4 score, and the film can only be tolerated so many times. Yet, that simple 'B' movie "alien aggressor" motif is elevated to something a bit more substantial under Arnold's baton. The music fit the film's form and function right to the hilt, in the process of which it imparted a huge sense of identity to the whole. Remember the rousing music that accompanies Bill Pullman's speech, as president? Gee, it made me proud to be an American - and all this from an Englishman, no less?
The more I'm reading into this, I'm finding that either Devlin is full of shit or he wields nowhere near the level of power or influence on this production that he had on the first film.
Hmm... that doesn't look as bad as I had expected. That said, it reminds me just how much the cinematic landscape has changed since the original was released. Independence Day came out at a time when there wasn't a lot of big screen sci-fi and it was one of the first massive sci-fi movies to use digital effects really well. Since then, we've had Mars Attacks, Battleship, the Transformers movies, the Battle of Los Angeles, etc... all showing the same kind of spectacle.
Of course, the original Independence Day was also blessed with a very charismatic cast which helped a lot. Jeff Goldblum is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this trailer, but I haven't seen enough of the rest of the cast to comment much on them. Still, this movie better have something new up its sleeve to distinguish itself from all the other similar movies out there these days.
Its a shame that Arnold isnt coming back. And letting bygones be bygones, perhaps he himself isnt that interested either, I guess. The sequel would have been his big comeback.
Its a shame that Arnold isnt coming back. And letting bygones be bygones, perhaps he himself isnt that interested either, I guess. The sequel would have been his big comeback.
I think he has stated that he would have done it if he was asked. But ultimately he wasn't.
I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall during those meetings.
Devlin: Are we getting David Arnold back to do the music? I'll give him a call abou--
Kloser: Who? No, I'm scoring it!
Emmerich: Whatever you guys do, don't tell David we're making this movie! Let him find out for himself and he'll announce it on his own Twitter that Harald is doing it.
Arnold's scoring of films now seems minimal and he seems not to be flavour of the month. Does a fair bit of UK TV work though plus his stage musical version of 'Made In Dagenham'. Assuming that Mendes doesn't direct Bond 25, what are Arnold's chances of returning? 50/50 at best imo
Given that Kloser is a producer, I doubt Arnold was seriously considered.
Well that's really sad. Now I wonder if Kloser will use any of Arnold's themes in the new film. Its absence would surely impact the film given the fact that many key essential characters are back (including the aliens)
Given that Kloser is a producer, I doubt Arnold was seriously considered.
Well that's really sad. Now I wonder if Kloser will use any of Arnold's themes in the new film. Its absence would surely impact the film given the fact that many key essential characters are back (including the aliens) at least the main theme has been confirmed to return
Gotta admit, my excitement for this film dropped quite a bit upon learning they'd be abandoning Arnold and bringing in a new flavor, Kloser, whose work has never been anything noteworthy in my book. Dang, I absolutely loved Arnold's work on the original. I bought the OST the day I saw the movie and then snatched the LaLaLane deluxe edition as soon as I could and have loved it. Too bad, I am not expecting anything special from the soundtrack in this one, only some adequate but not amazing background music.
