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 Posted:   May 18, 2010 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

I received my replacement copy of Santa Claus: The Movie from Singular Soundtrack (now Quartet Records) about a week ago. I am surprised no one else has mentioned receiving theirs yet. With the new baby, I only got a chance to pop it in now.

It does sound better than before (THANK YOU MR. BENITEZ!) with more subtleties noticeable in the new copy. The right and left channels seem switched from the initial release, at least on track 1, although that's not really a concern. I compared waveforms of track 1 on both CDs and though they clearly look different, I couldn't tell you anything about them from a technical standpoint.

Visually, the CD label is the same as the previous release, which might make it difficult for collectors to differentiate the two. In an ideal world one would hope everyone tosses the old copy, but I suspect many will show up on eBay and other sources, creating confusion.

I'm curious to know what others think of this new mastering?

Michael

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2010 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Frank V   (Member)

On the Intrada message board some people posted they got the CD. One of them couldn't listen to CD, because the disc was shattered in several pieces. The disc was packaged in a plastic sleeve and a large envelope. Roger Feigelson states that he got his copy in tact, but when he played it discovered the disc was all scratched up.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2010 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

On the Intrada message board some people posted they got the CD. One of them couldn't listen to CD, because the disc was shattered in several pieces. The disc was packaged in a plastic sleeve and a large envelope. Roger Feigelson states that he got his copy in tact, but when he played it discovered the disc was all scratched up.


I have received mine a few days ago. In unblemished condition I'm happy to say. But I think a better wrapping should have been considered by all means.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

I ordered mine through SA -- are they sending out the replacements?

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   razorback64   (Member)

I requested mine throught SAE when i placed an order a month ago. But i haven't heard any news back from them.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   Senojanaidni   (Member)

you are not the only one . ME TOO TOO

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

I ordered mine through SA -- are they sending out the replacements?

Yes, but I've yet to receive mine. I was told to place an order there, and it would ship with that order. Fair enough, so I placed an order. It didn't ship, and when I asked, I was told to wait 3 more weeks and place another order. Frustrating. confused

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

With all this talk of scratched/unplayable discs - and this suspicion that the left/right channels might be flipped on one track - I think I'll just stick with my original disc!

The word "shoddy" springs to mind :-(

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

SAE let us know what to do. I would hate to send you guys an email as I'm sure you will be bombarded with emails, but if you do indeed have replacement discs, I'll make another order so I can get mine.

Thanks dudes!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   hadschibadschi   (Member)

Please tell me the channels don't have been switched! They were okay on the first pressing and identical to the old LP. In case Singular/Quartet has indeed managed to flip the channels, this would call for another repressing. frown By the way, has Quartet answered to the mastering problems on their Tokyo Blackout-CD?

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

I guess I don't know what is going on here. What is wrong with the original disc?

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   hadschibadschi   (Member)

I guess I don't know what is going on here. What is wrong with the original disc?

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=65710&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)


http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=65710&forumID=1&archive=0


Ah I see. Thank you.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

First, apologies if someone has got the new CD in poor condition. Two customers have complained and today we sent a new copy with more care in the packaging.
Regarding the change of channels, there is a slight gap in the track 1, it is true. We preferred not to change anything at all as it was in the files given to us by copyright owners. In the previous mastering made many, many changes to improve the condition in which the files were. This is a 1985 digital recording, I know, but the condition was not the best, and came from analog sources, that I can tell.

For a time I was really afraid that the files that we had provided were of an mp3 (I have seen worse things in my life), but I can assure you not. In the world of big companies is not as easy as it may seem. In my case, I can not go to EMI in the U.S. and apply for the license for Santa Claus. They will tell me I have to apply in my territory, and this is Spain.

A year ago or so, I asked EMI Music Spain leave for seven licenses. After a long struggle against bureaucracy got five were approved:

1) Lady Caroline Lamb
2) Savage Pampas
3) the LP tracks from Who Can Kill A Child?
4) Santa Claus, the Movie
5) canceled project

As internal standard of this company, at least in Spain, do not provide the tapes but you get the files, either on a CD, DVD, hard disk or in my case, I was sent by FTP.
"Santa Claus" was announced in mid-December, when I wish that had been in mid-November (it was a perfect launch for Christmas), but the license and the materials arrived very very late. This title was published in Spain in LP in 1985 and EMI had the materials. As I said, the state was not very good, had a lot of background murmur, had a slight gap on the right and the left and the sound was very loud (well, the latter is the product of the time, listen as evidence, for example, in "A View To A Kill "and compare it to the Bond of the seventies and sixties). We did a serious job and we had a very strong noise reduction (which, by cutting frequencies, many thought it was an MP3), but some customers were not happy.

We thought we were wrong and decided to make a less aggressive mastering. It was a nightmare for owners permission to repeat the mastering (as they had approved and did not understand why repeat it, not being a failure of the manufacture), and make decisions on what to do with the material in our hands. Finally, we decided to treat it with love and carefull (with all the music of Mancini deserves) and not alter as it had practically nothing in the archives (check you who never say "tapes" because I've never had and never said that one).

The fifth title that it had licensed to EMI has been canceled because the files are not in good condition, and I'd rather not risk it. We are currently working on several releases and for all, we are ensuring that the source is the best in the world. And if not, we will not.

As many of you were angered by the previous CD did everything possible to please them -taking a long time, I know, but it has not been an easy matter-, I can tell. If the bug was fixed manufacturing we'd had in two weeks, but this was a much more delicate than you can imagine.

I think I was wrong to license this title, and, without doubt, an American label would have done better, since the state of the tape there will be possibly higher. The CD is now "sold out" and, I suppose, the license has been free to whoever wants to try. I can not do better, I promise.

Those are all the explanations I can give. If you've sent in plastic sleeves has been for two reasons: 1) do not have license to print 2000 copies. 2) was as cheap as possible after it reverted back in the studio.

For any clarification please do not hesitate to contact staff with me at the address below jose@quartetrecords.com and kindly, I will answer your questions.

Best Regards
Jose

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

I just looked at the Intrada Board. Santa Claus in the title spelled "SANTA CLAUSE".

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Stephan   (Member)

Jose, thank you very much for your clear words which are highly appreciated! I wish, all producers would be that honest!

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2010 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

Jose-

I'm sorry this release has caused you such trouble. I for one am thankful to finally have it on CD. I doubt many American companies are clamoring to release this title. If your second release had been the first, I doubt there would be any complaints; as it is now collectors have two versions to compare and if we can complain we inevitably will. Don't let it get you down! Hopefully whatever error occured with the first release has been fixed, and the Singular/Quartet merger will give you more clout and resources. I look forward to your future releases!

Michael

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2010 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   couvee   (Member)


Visually, the CD label is the same as the previous release, which might make it difficult for collectors to differentiate the two. In an ideal world one would hope everyone tosses the old copy, but I suspect many will show up on eBay and other sources, creating confusion.

I'm curious to know what others think of this new mastering?

Michael


If you look closely on the silver side of the disc around the centre hole there is a number pressed;
old disc: SER 808 #1
new replacement disc: SER 879 #1

I'm in the camp of non-complainers. Frankly I can hardly tell the two different masterings apart, they sound slightly different but I'm hard pressed to tell what I like best. I'm sure a better sounding CD could have been made from original session tapes or something like that. But this has not been available on CD before and I think it's a very decent release. It sounds a lot better than many other 'lost' scores that are being put out by various labels. If you don't like it, sell it to someone else on eBay. It's sold out now, so it won't be hard to find buyers. I think it was a bit unfair to Jose Benitez. It was a bit unnecessary, just my opinion. He explained everything, this is the best he could do in Spain. Thanks Jose!

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   jfox   (Member)

Has anyone got their replacement from SAE yet?

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   SunSword   (Member)

Has anyone got their replacement from SAE yet? No, but they have them in stock now. You have to place an order and make a note that you want the disc.

 
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