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 Posted:   Aug 11, 2012 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Regarding the confirmation e-mail. Got mine right away. You all should check your spam filter.

I'd think it would've gone to my junk folder, but nothing there either. I'm on Hotmail, anyone else using Hotmail get theirs?


I got mine almost instantaneously and I use Hotmail.

And why would they re-record library cues? That's weird as hell.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2012 - 11:23 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

The Cloudminders issue raises a question I had about the documentation for the set. Will the cues used for tracked scores be identified, allowing us to see the complete list of music used for each episode? Or will the booklet only focus on the episodes with original scores, as found on the CDs?

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 12:37 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

And why would they re-record library cues? That's weird as hell.


I think it had to do with union rules. Shows that used tracked music were supposed to use only music recorded that particular TV season. So if you wanted to use a cue from an earlier season it had to be re-recorded. (Am I close?)

And as far as documentation of the music tracked into episodes which didn't have original scores, my guess would be that it simply wouldn't be worth the effort or the booklet space. (Jeff's "Music of Star Trek" book contains sample cue sheets from tracked episodes, so it appears that all of that music editing work was indeed documented at the time it was done.) It would be sort of like printing the "Superman" score tracks which were edited into "Superman II: The Donner Cut" in the "Superman" soundtrack booklet. Would that make a lot of sense?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Simply a dream come true.

I'm just a tad worried how they're going to pack it...

I hope, judging from the package art, that each disc is housed in a standard-sized jewel case. Dealing with scratches or other damage would be a big headache with this much content.


Probably 4 quad cases.


MV praised in an earlier thread the 5CD package layout of FSM's Ben Hur. It could be housed in three 5 CD count cases. Although the image of the housing box looks bigger than three cases. Guess we'll know soon.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

MV praised in an earlier thread the 5CD package layout of FSM's Ben Hur. It could be housed in three 5 CD count cases. Although the image of the housing box looks bigger than three cases. Guess we'll know soon.

Provided they ensure their supplier of said 5CD cases doesn't stock the cheap ones made from highly-recycled plastic, that could work well.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Well, I'm not ST fan (at this moment! but maybe become wink ), so how much music was composed?
I mean according to wiki (yes, it's not very reliable source) only 31 episode from 79 had original score and other music was tracked from other episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series#Music). Is it true, or we need correct this page?
And another question can we get info about box structure?
For example: CD 1-7 - original scores; CD 8-13 - library music; CD 14-15 - additional & alternate music etc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

. . . I mean according to wiki (yes, it's not very reliable source) only 31 episode from 79 had original score and other music was tracked from other episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series#Music). Is it true, or we need correct this page?


Thirty-one complete scores is actually about right, if one acknowledges that an additional four episodes which also had original underscoring were "partial" scores -- in other words, mostly tracked from other episodes with only a little original music newly recorded for them. In his "Music of Star Trek" book, however, Jeff notes that even episodes with "complete" scores often had a tracked cue or two in them as well. I've indicated which could be considered partial scores below:

Pilots
The Cage (Courage)
Where No Man Has Gone Before (Courage)

First Season
The Man Trap (Courage)
Charlie X (Steiner)
The Naked Time (Courage)
Mudd’s Women (Steiner)
The Enemy Within (Kaplan)
The Corbomite Maneuver (Steiner)
Balance Of Terror (Steiner)
What Are Little Girls Made Of? (Steiner)
The Conscience Of The King (Mullendore)
Shore Leave (Fried)
The City On The Edge Of Forever (Steiner) [partial]

Second Season
Catspaw (Fried)
Metamorphosis (Duning)
Friday’s Child (Fried)
Who Mourns For Adonais? (Steiner)
Amok Time (Fried)
The Doomsday Machine (Kaplan)
Mirror, Mirror (Steiner)
I, Mudd (Matlovsky)
The Trouble With Tribbles (Fielding)
By Any Other Name (Steiner)
Omega Glory (Steiner) [partial]
Return To Tomorrow (Duning) [partial]
Patterns Of Force (Duning) [partial]

Third Season
Spectre Of The Gun (Fielding)
Elaan Of Troyius (Steiner)
The Paradise Syndrome (Fried)
The Enterprise Incident (Courage)
And The Children Shall Lead (Duning)
Spock’s Brain (Steiner)
Is There In Truth No Beauty (Duning)
The Empath (Duning)
Plato’s Stepchildren (Courage)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   steve matthewman   (Member)

Would be great if SAE did an offer ie. order the Star Trek Original series box set .. and get a discount on the FSM Ron Jones box set !! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   VampyreDjango   (Member)

Would be great if SAE did an offer ie. order the Star Trek Original series box set .. and get a discount on the FSM Ron Jones box set !! smile

^THIS

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

I know episodes from the first season such as Corbomite Maneuver, Balance of Terror & What Are Little Girls Made Of? only had a few themes/cues that were newly written for them. Even Shore Leave and Mudd's Women used music from other episodes.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

And it seems like the set announcement has generated a lot of enthusiasm on message boards (even on youtube!) and LLL is very happy with the "pre-preorder" response so far.

On this note: I have opened a thread for this set in one of Germany's biggest message boards concerning movies (with a separate section for soundtracks) and I hope it helps to spread the news and generates some buyers. Anyway I wish LLL a lot of success with this outstanding endeavour!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   VampyreDjango   (Member)

Has anybody else not received their confirmation email yet? I haven't been following this thread too closely, so I apologize if it has already been discussed...

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Mathew   (Member)

Has anybody else not received their confirmation email yet? I haven't been following this thread too closely, so I apologize if it has already been discussed...

I did. Signed up shortly after the announcement. Can't wait to order the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

And as far as documentation of the music tracked into episodes which didn't have original scores, my guess would be that it simply wouldn't be worth the effort or the booklet space. (Jeff's "Music of Star Trek" book contains sample cue sheets from tracked episodes, so it appears that all of that music editing work was indeed documented at the time it was done.) It would be sort of like printing the "Superman" score tracks which were edited into "Superman II: The Donner Cut" in the "Superman" soundtrack booklet. Would that make a lot of sense?

That's actually why I was hoping it might be included; because it wouldn't require doing all the research anew. The documentation exists, but there is nowhere that we are ever likely to be able to see it. The distinction is, if you knew with 100% certainty that you would never have a Superman II release, then yes, it might make sense to list those score tracks in the "Superman" booklet. If we don't get those lists in this set, we are never going to see them anywhere.

The set is still of major historical importance no matter what they put in the booklet, but I was just hoping for those lists.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

And why would they re-record library cues? That's weird as hell.


I think it had to do with union rules. Shows that used tracked music were supposed to use only music recorded that particular TV season. So if you wanted to use a cue from an earlier season it had to be re-recorded. (Am I close?)

And as far as documentation of the music tracked into episodes which didn't have original scores, my guess would be that it simply wouldn't be worth the effort or the booklet space. (Jeff's "Music of Star Trek" book contains sample cue sheets from tracked episodes, so it appears that all of that music editing work was indeed documented at the time it was done.) It would be sort of like printing the "Superman" score tracks which were edited into "Superman II: The Donner Cut" in the "Superman" soundtrack booklet. Would that make a lot of sense?


Well, supposedly previous season cues/themes were re-recorded, but sometimes I'm not so sure because, to my ears, the "rerecords" sound exactly like the originals (same tempi, nuance). By contrast, if you listen to the second and third season main titles they sound quite different (both using Courage's 1967 updated arrangement, featuring the trumpet playing the fanfare in augmentation to the horn call). I suppose you could get the same sound if you used the same musicians, but this was stuff that was read down in rapid succession, so I can't imagine much time was spent on "let's make this sound like the one we made ten months ago."

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I hope, judging from the package art, that each disc is housed in a standard-sized jewel case. Dealing with scratches or other damage would be a big headache with this much content.

Probably 4 quad cases.

MV praised in an earlier thread the 5CD package layout of FSM's Ben Hur. It could be housed in three 5 CD count cases.


I'm hoping double-cd cases. Two double-cd cases are thinner than a quad case, and easier to replace if you break one. That's what Varese used for the Herrmann Box. Plus my personal preference as they're essentially normal jewel cases (small front window), rather than the quad "beast with two backs" cases.

Then there's the accordion style, although I dont think it makes an accordion sound when you use it. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Then there's the accordion style, although I dont think it makes an accordion sound when you use it. wink


No, it makes the 'communicator open' sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

I hope, judging from the package art, that each disc is housed in a standard-sized jewel case. Dealing with scratches or other damage would be a big headache with this much content.

Probably 4 quad cases.

MV praised in an earlier thread the 5CD package layout of FSM's Ben Hur. It could be housed in three 5 CD count cases.


I'm hoping double-cd cases. Two double-cd cases are thinner than a quad case, and easier to replace if you break one.


Maybe LLL will make special offer - "we replace any broken 5CD boxes from ST: TOS during first year after your's order?" big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Maybe LLL will make special offer - "we replace any broken 5CD boxes from ST: TOS during first year after your's order?" big grin

or longer. "LLL...it's 5 year mission. To replace and restore 5CD boxes...."

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Dirk Wickenden   (Member)

I feared it would be a big box set. I haven't been able to afford any of the box sets the companies have released, beyond the Superman blue box. So will have to forgo it I think - depending on cost but I estimate $250.00.

So we'll see how much it comes in at but bills and food on the table comes first.

 
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