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Feb 20, 2021 - 11:17 PM
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Mephariel
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In my opinion, Hans Zimmer doesn't compose movies "frame by frame" like John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith or any of the other composers that try to tell the movie's story with their music.
As far as I know, Zimmer takes the assignment, comes up with a few thematic ideas and creates a few suites. After that, the suites are reshaped and reedited (copy and paste, not even by himself i might add) to fit the scene as much as possiple - often with lack of creativity or an enjoyable flow in the music.
Therefore, in most cases the suite arrangments on Zimmer's OST will do the job and guarantee the best possible listening experience.
There are exceptions like PEARL HARBOR, where complete ideas and important highlights are completely missing (like almost all of the brilliant action cues and alternates).
I see, why soundtrack labels would prefer other composers for expanded and complete releases. It's not a matter of taste, but where expanded releases are really worth the effort, and where an OST can be improved.
Objectively false. Ron Howard and Zimmer did the opening of Rush together in the room with the scene. Yes, Zimmer writes suites, but some of my favorite scenes in movies are with Zimmer's music. The docking scene in Interstellar, the finale of The Dark Knight, the scene in Pearl Harbor showing the Japanese planes launching the attack and flying to Hawaii. I can name countless scenes where Zimmer told the story. Hell, listen to "Remember who you are" in the legacy edition of The Lion King and try telling me that Zimmer doesn't try to tell the movie's story with music. It is an absurd statement.
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I would love to have an expanded Backdraft release.
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Feb 21, 2021 - 4:19 AM
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freddy1982
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Objectively false. Ron Howard and Zimmer did the opening of Rush together in the room with the scene. Yes, Zimmer writes suites, but some of my favorite scenes in movies are with Zimmer's music. The docking scene in Interstellar, the finale of The Dark Knight, the scene in Pearl Harbor showing the Japanese planes launching the attack and flying to Hawaii. I can name countless scenes where Zimmer told the story. Hell, listen to "Remember who you are" in the legacy edition of The Lion King and try telling me that Zimmer doesn't try to tell the movie's story with music. It is an absurd statement.
As i said, there are exceptions 
And i love THE LION KING and PRINCE OF EGYPT as complete scores.
But those are animated features, where music is an essential part of
the story. And those two scores are the prime examples for my disappointment of most of his recent accomplishments. He can do great things when he wants.
INTERSTELLAR is a very interesting collection of ideas. But the chronological last complete score of Zimmer, that i think was really awesome, would be PIRATES - AT WORLD'S END in my opinion.
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Feb 21, 2021 - 4:49 AM
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Per
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In my opinion, Hans Zimmer doesn't compose movies "frame by frame" like John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith or any of the other composers that try to tell the movie's story with their music.
As far as I know, Zimmer takes the assignment, comes up with a few thematic ideas and creates a few suites. After that, the suites are reshaped and reedited (copy and paste, not even by himself i might add) to fit the scene as much as possiple - often with lack of creativity or an enjoyable flow in the music.
Therefore, in most cases the suite arrangments on Zimmer's OST will do the job and guarantee the best possible listening experience.
There are exceptions like PEARL HARBOR, where complete ideas and important highlights are completely missing (like almost all of the brilliant action cues and alternates).
I see, why soundtrack labels would prefer other composers for expanded and complete releases. It's not a matter of taste, but where expanded releases are really worth the effort, and where an OST can be improved.
I can't say for the last 10+ years, but for the most part the films he scored (at least the ones I'm familiar with, which is most) back in the 90s is scored to picture, and not from suites edited to fit the picture. It's silly to say otherwise (those of you who got into filmmusic/Zimmer in the 2010s should discover things from the previous 10-20 years ... as a heads up, Zimmer didn't start compose music with Inception).
Just watch things like Crimson Tide or The Rock, and you'll see it fits perfectly with the scenes, and the music has hardly any edits to fit the pictures (and the music has a great flow). But (to give an example, although it could be an exception of course) things like Star Wars Ep 1 is a complete mess in the edited music vs the pictures, compared to the composed original cues.
With perhaps a few exceptions (like The Peacemaker), even though he might have done suites always (!), what's been on the OSTs anyway before has been the actual music in the films, and not theme suites or anything like that. (Pearl Harbor is no exception btw!). That seems to be more of a common practice from the recent years (2010+/-), perhaps starting with Pirates give or take a franchise or two...
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Feb 21, 2021 - 6:27 AM
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freddy1982
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I can't say for the last 10+ years, but for the most part the films he scored (at least the ones I'm familiar with, which is most) back in the 90s is scored to picture, and not from suites edited to fit the picture. It's silly to say otherwise (those of you who got into filmmusic/Zimmer in the 2010s should discover things from the previous 10-20 years ... as a heads up, Zimmer didn't start compose music with Inception).
Just watch things like Crimson Tide or The Rock, and you'll see it fits perfectly with the scenes, and the music has hardly any edits to fit the pictures (and the music has a great flow). But (to give an example, although it could be an exception of course) things like Star Wars Ep 1 is a complete mess in the edited music vs the pictures, compared to the composed original cues.
With perhaps a few exceptions (like The Peacemaker), even though he might have done suites always (!), what's been on the OSTs anyway before has been the actual music in the films, and not theme suites or anything like that. (Pearl Harbor is no exception btw!). That seems to be more of a common practice from the recent years (2010+/-), perhaps starting with Pirates give or take a franchise or two...
I thought THE ROCK is a Nick-Glennie Smith score?
It is one of the greatest scores of the 90s in my opinion. But i don't think of Hans Zimmer, when i listen to it.
It is something, that NEVER gets a representation at concerts. So i don't think that Zimmer did more than 50 % of the writing.
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So for me I have three that come to mind immediately.
The Rock (I know other composers had a significant influence on this score)
Backdraft
Drop Zone
Crimson Tide
I have a deep love for The Rock's film score. I have done much writing to it and I listen to it very often. I just find that every score on the track is awesome and none warrant the skip button. I wish
Drop Zone's original album release is actually pretty great on its own. It's just that it is in dire need of a remaster. If Varese released just a remaster of the album with no expansion I would buy it in a heart beat. If they released the complete score, I'd buy it in a heart beat.
Crimson Tide is Crimson Tide. It's just all sorts of powerful.
All three scores are pivotal to my writings and I listen to them both often.
Backdraft I am just now exploring for the first time.
As for scores already expanded that I love by Zimmer.
Broken Arrow
The Peacemaker
Days of Thunder
The Dark Knight
I have been playing Broken Arrow a lot lately.
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So for me I have three that come to mind immediately.
The Rock (I know other composers had a significant influence on this score)
Backdraft
Drop Zone
Crimson Tide
Totally agree on these! (except Drop Zone cause I havent heard it yet, lol)
Specially The Rock. I dont understand how no labels have done it already!
Must be some problems? Its iconic!
Listen to this track to sample Drop Zone. It is in my top three favorite Zimmer tracks. Especially at the 2:00 mark.
https://youtu.be/gu1v7pKot2I
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