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 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone is where Zimmer first used that sound that we would hear in Pirates of the Caribbean and in parts of The Rock.

Acathla, it really is a tremendous score. I hope you got a chance to sample the rest of it. DeputyRiley did a pretty good complete score breakdown of it a few years back.

So I like the album version of Hi-Jack, but I really want the film version for that last minute. I did a DVD rip of it and did a pretty decent job of isolating out most of the sfx and all of the voices. It's for my own personal collection of course and the quality is still no where near what an official release would be.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. I'd even be content with a simple reissue of the original Drop Zone album if it were just remastered. Does anyone else feel the original album could sound a lot more dynamic? In the movie the music feels so powerful. The sound from the album sounds too quiet and flat at times.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Have always thought that it could sound better.

Graham

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone is where Zimmer first used that sound that we would hear in Pirates of the Caribbean and in parts of The Rock.

I think you're right. I personally think that kind of sound was born with Black Rain, fine-tuned with Backdraft and Point of No Return, perfected with Drop Zone, and then became recognized and championed beginning with Crimson Tide, continuing on with The Rock, Broken Arrow, Peacemaker, MI:2, Gladiator, Pirates, King Arthur, Batman, etc. etc. etc.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

The only think I remember from The Rock is that it gave me a huuuuuge headeache.

You can't really have given it a proper listen. If anything, listen to track 3 and the last 3,5 minutes of track 6.


I listened to it in the theater. I was enough. Never more.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone is where Zimmer first used that sound that we would hear in Pirates of the Caribbean and in parts of The Rock.

I think you're right. I personally think that kind of sound was born with Black Rain, fine-tuned with Point of No Return, perfected with Drop Zone, and then became recognized and championed beginning with Crimson Tide, continuing on with The Rock, Broken Arrow, Peacemaker, MI:2, Gladiator, Pirates, King Arthur, etc. etc. etc.


I really need to sample Point of No Return. I have never listened to it. Any action packed tracks from that score?

Bringing up Broken Arrow, I want to talk about the 15:58 minute mark in the track Hammerhead from Disc 2 of the LLL release. Earlier we brought up epic for Too Many Notes from Drop Zone. I think that one minute in Broken Arrow may even top the epic level of Too Many Notes. Listening to it on a Bose sound system is a riveting experience.

So homework assignment for those who do not own Broken or Drop Zone. Listen to Hammerhead from Broken Arrow and Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone. Be sure to crank up the volume.

I enjoy Zimmer's current work however in my opinion his best stuff was in the mid-90s.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

All the above would be welcome, but Prince of Egypt is my top priority.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2021 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

The only think I remember from The Rock is that it gave me a huuuuuge headeache.

You can't really have given it a proper listen. If anything, listen to track 3 and the last 3,5 minutes of track 6.


I listened to it in the theater. I was enough. Never more.


LOL

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   freddy1982   (Member)

All the above would be welcome, but Prince of Egypt is my top priority.

yes, indeed

This is one of my top 5 Zimmer scores as well. And after THE LION KING turned out to be such a revelation on it's completely remastered and remixed complete score album, i can only imagine how PRINCE OF EGYPT might sound in a new mix. A masterpiece!

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone is where Zimmer first used that sound that we would hear in Pirates of the Caribbean and in parts of The Rock.

I think you're right. I personally think that kind of sound was born with Black Rain, fine-tuned with Point of No Return, perfected with Drop Zone, and then became recognized and championed beginning with Crimson Tide, continuing on with The Rock, Broken Arrow, Peacemaker, MI:2, Gladiator, Pirates, King Arthur, etc. etc. etc.


I really need to sample Point of No Return. I have never listened to it. Any action packed tracks from that score?

Bringing up Broken Arrow, I want to talk about the 15:58 minute mark in the track Hammerhead from Disc 2 of the LLL release. Earlier we brought up epic for Too Many Notes from Drop Zone. I think that one minute in Broken Arrow may even top the epic level of Too Many Notes. Listening to it on a Bose sound system is a riveting experience.

So homework assignment for those who do not own Broken or Drop Zone. Listen to Hammerhead from Broken Arrow and Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests from Drop Zone. Be sure to crank up the volume.

I enjoy Zimmer's current work however in my opinion his best stuff was in the mid-90s.


Not many action-packed tracks in Point of No Return, but if you love the style mentioned above, you’ll love the tracks “Hell’s Kitchen” and “Wedding Bells.”

I agree about that moment in “Hammerhead” - while I don't think it’s as good as “Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests,” I do still think it’s an incredible “tune” as HZ would say. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

Wow, I see that I really need to check out Drop Zone! Thanx for that tip!

Speaking of Zimmer (and this is a bit off topic...)

Is the score for The Dark Knight supposed to sound a bit "bad"? I mean, the bass is a bit "scratchy", or as if the volume has been turned way too much up (but without actually being too loud in this release), which often makes it sound worse? Not sure if I'm describing this well, lol!

But specially in the cue "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" (which is my favorite from this series).

I've ripped it directly from my own CD, so I'm not sure if there's something wrong, or if its supposed to be like that...

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

The only think I remember from The Rock is that it gave me a huuuuuge headeache.

You can't really have given it a proper listen. If anything, listen to track 3 and the last 3,5 minutes of track 6.


I listened to it in the theater. I was enough. Never more.


LOL


For your own good, I advice you to not discuss with that Toroto guy. Then maybe he magically disappears.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

I understand people having a difference of opinion, but I'll never understand trolls. If there's a discussion about something that you're not interested in or don't like, why not move on? Life is too short to whine so much about something you personally don't like. And why waste time trying to insult things other people enjoy and try to convince them they're wrong for enjoying it.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. There are sooo many of his scores I'd love to see expanded.

In no particular order:
Chill Factor
The Pirates Trilogy
The Dark Knight Trilogy
The Langdon Trilogy
An actual complete Interstellar
Hannibal
Gladiator
Pearl Harbor
King Arthur
The Rock
The Weather Man (or just a release in general for this)

Some of my holy grails:
Tears of the Sun
A League of Their Own
The Fan

I'm sure there are quite a few I'm missing but pretty much anytime an expanded release of his comes out I end up buying it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   BTTFFan   (Member)

Great list. Expanded versions of the following are absolute grails of mine:

Gladiator
Da Vinci Code
Angels & Demons
King Arthur
The Prince Of Egypt

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Two vastly under represented scores that need expansions are The Road to El Dorado and Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron!

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

I'd love to see any of his scores given an expanded release, old and new. I know I may be a small minority, but I would really love to see all 3 of his Batman scores and even both Superman scores get full expansions and presented like the Thin Red Line was. Same goes for Inception. I know there are recording session unmentionables for those scores I mentioned, but would still love to officially buy them if they ever get redone by the boutique labels. The liner notes alone would be worth it for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Great list. Expanded versions of the following are absolute grails of mine:

Gladiator
Da Vinci Code
Angels & Demons
King Arthur
The Prince Of Egypt


Hasn't Gladiator already been expanded?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2021 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Great list. Expanded versions of the following are absolute grails of mine:

Gladiator
Da Vinci Code
Angels & Demons
King Arthur
The Prince Of Egypt


Hasn't Gladiator already been expanded?


Not as far as I’m aware. The existing two discs have been repackaged multiple times under different names, but don’t think that any additional music has been added.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2021 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Great list. Expanded versions of the following are absolute grails of mine:

Gladiator
Da Vinci Code
Angels & Demons
King Arthur
The Prince Of Egypt


Hasn't Gladiator already been expanded?


Not as far as I’m aware. The existing two discs have been repackaged multiple times under different names, but don’t think that any additional music has been added.


Yup, just the same 2 discs with the second being full of dialogue and containing a few remixes and whatnot.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2021 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

For your own good, I advice you to not discuss with that Toroto guy. Then maybe he magically disappears.

Have no idea who he is... but sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2021 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

Hasn't Gladiator already been expanded?

Not as far as I’m aware. The existing two discs have been repackaged multiple times under different names, but don’t think that any additional music has been added.

Yup, just the same 2 discs with the second being full of dialogue and containing a few remixes and whatnot


Actually it's just one remix. At least one unbearable techno remix which has nothing to do with the score (The "Maximus Mix").

I first thought the "Juba's Mix" was of the same style as well (some kind of techno remix), but that's actually an original (but different) mix. More of an upbeat version, with some extra african style chants/voices. I like that one.

I think the film uses yet another different version, which is the least interesting one of them all (as a standalone listen anyway).

 
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