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 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

That "yellow series" was broad-minded enough to include the non-Gerhardt but wonderful album of Raksin conducting his own scores. I gather that unfortunately it's not in ths new box batch.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

But fortunately it can still be purchased on its own!

I really wish that some day a definitive set of Gerhardt conducts Film Music (even including the surviving Reader's Digest recordings) could be produced by a label such as Brilliant Classics.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I've noticed that the "expanded" version of the Gerhardt Sea Hawk isn't particularly well edited. In chopping up the order of the individual cues originally recorded as integral parts of two suites for two separate discs, a couple of joins are rather poorly done.
I prefer listening to the original album presentations of the series, rather than the expanded Sea Hawk and Sunset Boulevard discs. There's something special about the original releases, even if some of the featured scores (like The Sea Hawk and Captain Blood) are split over a couple of discs.
The one thing I wish they'd do is a remastered "Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores". The Dolby Surround CD sounds badly muffled in comparison to the yellow/red non-surround reissues of the series.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"But fortunately it can still be purchased on its own!

I really wish that some day a definitive set of Gerhardt conducts Film Music (even including the surviving Reader's Digest recordings) could be produced by a label such as Brilliant Classics."

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Second the motion on the definitive Gerhardt, Yavar. Of course, I purchased the "yellow" Raksin on its own, even though I'm not about to get rid of the first edition, the one David Raksin signed for me.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Of course, being Sony and you know how Sony is these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

The one thing I wish they'd do is a remastered "Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores". The Dolby Surround CD sounds badly muffled in comparison to the yellow/red non-surround reissues of the series.

You should try the Newton Classics:

https://www.discogs.com/Max-Steiner-Franz-Waxman-Korngold-Herrmann-R%C3%B3zsa-Tiomkin-Williams-Famous-Film-Scores/release/14315176

I don't remember exactly how it sounds, but all their other classical releases are excellent.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I've decided not to buy the set now, it would just be double dipping & I'm drowning in discs as it is.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

David Raksin has said in interviews that his RCA album would not have happened if it weren't for Frank Zappa. Raksin had a deal worked out for the album with an exec, but the exec died in a car crash. When Raksin's friend Frank Zappa asked him how the album was coming along, Raksin told him the sad story. Zappa sympathized, apparently made a call, and Raksin's deal was back on. Raksin also conducted some of Zappa's orchestral pieces during a rehearsal for Zappa's Orchestral Favorites album.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


You should try the Newton Classics:

https://www.discogs.com/Max-Steiner-Franz-Waxman-Korngold-Herrmann-R%C3%B3zsa-Tiomkin-Williams-Famous-Film-Scores/release/14315176

I don't remember exactly how it sounds, but all their other classical releases are excellent.






Does anyone have this who can confirm whether or not this is just another Dolby Surround version?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"David Raksin has said in interviews that his RCA album would not have happened if it weren't for Frank Zappa. Raksin had a deal worked out for the album with an exec, but the exec died in a car crash. When Raksin's friend Frank Zappa asked him how the album was coming along, Raksin told him the sad story. Zappa sympathized, apparently made a call, and Raksin's deal was back on. Raksin also conducted some of Zappa's orchestral pieces during a rehearsal for Zappa's Orchestral Favorites album."

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Wow, I never knew that. I can't wait to share this with my brother, a big Zappa fan (and appreciator of classical music).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I'm particularly looking forward to The Sea Wolf, which I haven't heard in decades. It's one of the few Korngold scores that hasn't had a full modern recording. Turner showed the film last night, and it's a shocker for its sustained violence and dark energy. Korngold's main theme slices through the texture like the prow of a ship through angry seas. Yes, Korngold could do noir. And if you only know Barry Fitzgerald from his kindly leprechaun roles, wait till you encounter the demonic malevolence of his "Cookie" here

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I'm particularly looking forward to The Sea Wolf, which I haven't heard in decades. It's one of the few Korngold scores that hasn't had a full modern recording. Turner showed the film last night, and it's a shocker for its sustained violence and dark energy. Korngold's main theme slices through the texture like the prow of a ship through angry seas. Yes, Korngold could do noir. And if you only know Barry Fitzgerald from his kindly leprechaun roles, wait till you encounter the demonic malevolence of his "Cookie" here

Just out of curiosity, is TCM still showing the shortened version or are they now showing the restored version released by Warner Archive a few years ago (I’ve had this for about a year now)? The Gerhardt suite is quite impressive and makes a nice companion with the FSM CD of the original recording paired with Kings Row.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I'm particularly looking forward to The Sea Wolf, which I haven't heard in decades. It's one of the few Korngold scores that hasn't had a full modern recording. Turner showed the film last night, and it's a shocker for its sustained violence and dark energy. Korngold's main theme slices through the texture like the prow of a ship through angry seas. Yes, Korngold could do noir. And if you only know Barry Fitzgerald from his kindly leprechaun roles, wait till you encounter the demonic malevolence of his "Cookie" here




The notes for the Gamba re-recording say it's the full score, restoring parts that were cut for a shorter version of the film. Also has the trailer music.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'm particularly looking forward to The Sea Wolf, which I haven't heard in decades. It's one of the few Korngold scores that hasn't had a full modern recording.
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The notes for the Gamba re-recording say it's the full score, restoring parts that were cut for a shorter version of the film. Also has the trailer music.



FSM's release of the original tracks, which Lukas termed "complete" runs 47:22. Not counting the trailer music, the Gamba re-recording runs 55:03. That's a difference of 7:41, which I presume can be attributed in part to the unused/unrecorded music, but also to Gamba's slower pace. For example, his main title runs 2:33, while Korngold does it in 1:56.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Oops! I missed that one. My bad. I'm still looking forward to Gerhardt's take, which I recall being "bigger" than the original, as was so often the case with the CFS series.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2020 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

Hello

How are the Dutton Vocalion Quadraphonic versions compared to the other issues?

Are they better than the dolby surround issues? I had the Casablanca film scores for Humphrey Bogart from that series and didnt like it at all. Nothing like as super sonic as the original RCA vinyl.

Would they play on a 5.1 decoder?

I wrote to Charles Gerhardt asking him about the possibility of a classic film scores for John Wayne album.

He sent me a very nice letter saying that he would love to do that album but had no time because of other projects.

Regards

CC


You may use the search button here for numerous other posts on the 5 Dutton Vocalion releases. Generally in my opinion the multi channel 5.1 experience is far better than the surround sound format they came out initially on cd. The new Sony reissues are all stereo though and sound terrific. The Dutton stereo only mixes are somewhat different than Sony.


I was under the impression there are only 4 Gerhardt Dutton Vocalions?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2020 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


I was under the impression there are only 4 Gerhardt Dutton Vocalions?




Lost Horizon, Captain Blood, Sunset Boulevard, Citizen Kane, and Spellbound.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2020 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)


I was under the impression there are only 4 Gerhardt Dutton Vocalions?


There are 5: Herrmann, Rozsa, Waxman, Flynn and Tiomkin. They all sound spectacular in 5.1 SACD, better than any previous version. I hope they'll do more of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2020 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)


I was under the impression there are only 4 Gerhardt Dutton Vocalions?

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There are 5: Herrmann, Rozsa, Waxman, Flynn and Tiomkin. They all sound spectacular in 5.1 SACD, better than any previous version. I hope they'll do more of them.



The only original quadraphonic LP yet to be released by Dutton-Vocalion is the Casablanca/Humphrey Bogart album. If Dutton wants to release any others, they will have to be from the stereo mixes, or Dutton will have to jerry-rig the surround sound, like RCA did with their Dolby versions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2020 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Isn't it possible some of the other Gerhardt recordings were recorded in quadrophonic (or more than just a stereo setup), but only ever released in stereo, before?

Yavar

 
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