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Feb 9, 2011 - 4:04 PM
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stamper
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I know I'm a Broken Arrow freak, no need to call the police while reading this post. I'm fine ! 
Oh and yeah:
SPOILER ALERT
Let's check this Milan edition !
"1. Brothers / 2. Stealth"
Is a suite that contains the "Main Title" (complete but with box fight SFX) , then the "Stealth Fight" (shortened) and ends with the "Revealing the Bomber" cues. In the movie, "Revealing the Bomber" appears before the "Stealth Fight". After track 2, all the cues appear in pure chronological order.
"3. Secure" contains the cue from the sequence where Hale wakes up in the desert and fights the park ranger, than segues into the desert car chase. Both those cues were edited shorter (nothing important missing). Many cues that should be placed inbetween are missing (especially the canyon shootout, Travolta's come back in slowmo and helicopter fight).
"4. Mine / 5. Nuke" contain the gigantic cue (10+min) of the fight in the mine (shortened), then the butterfly sequence after the detonation. The detonation music (that should be placed inbetween) is missing.
Between track 5 and 6, some cues composed by Don Harper (available a while back on his official website) are missing on this release.
"6. Greed / 7. Hammerhead" is only one very big cue (all the train sequence) but shortened a bit.
"8. Broken Arrow" is only one cue that contains the finale and end credits suite, unedited.
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Feb 9, 2011 - 4:25 PM
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Per
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I think Broken Arrow is an interesting release because most Zimmer OSTs feature the music re-arranged into lengthy suites that aren't chronological and sometimes feature music that isn't in the film.
The new LLL release will presumably feature the film cues in chronological order, featuring many shorter tracks than is typical of a Zimmer release.
Actually, most of Zimmer CDs are NOT "re-arranged" (as in different mixes/instruments ... like with Transformers, to give an example where this occur)... The cues are often combined into longer tracks on album, and also shortened (mostly by a near-to simple cut/paste operation), and cues might be out of (chronological) order. But it's mostly still the same music.
Regarding Broken Arrow, the music on the Milan CD is NO different than what you hear in the film (if there are any, it must be very minor differences in the mixes, in which case I must have missed it), it's just that on album the original cues have been (as explained above) combined (and even some "track marks" are added in the middle of cues), and bits and pieces here and there have been 'cutted'.
In cases such as these, there is no, in my opinion, "film versions" ("film cue") or "album versions". Since they are both the exactly same thing. If the music in the film or on album is different than the other, it would be correct to use those terms.
Many say they want the music (exactly) as they hear, or it appear, in the film (not talking about Broken Arrow specifically here, just in general).
Let's say there's a 2 min cue made, and then in the film they only used half of that. Would you like to have only half of that cue on the CD (like it is in the film ?), or the cue in its original form ?
Or if the 1st half of the cue is used one place in the film, and the 2nd half of the cue is used in another scene. Would you like these as 2 separate tracks on the CD, with weird/sudden fades. Or the cue in its original form ?
In both cases, I know what I would prefer. In any case, "original cue as composed/made", or "cue in its original form" is much better than just "(exactly) like you hear in the film" ... since there's in so many cases some weird edits of the music in the film...
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Feb 10, 2011 - 6:59 AM
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kindacute
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One of my favorite scores and one of the ones that I have most listened to. I didn't expect it and it really excited me. I think it's the best work of Hans Zimmer (maybe with "Hannibal"). And it's been tracked, if I'm not wrong, on "Scream 2" and "Pirates of the Caribbean 2". Ain't it cool!
So my only doubt is shipping-cost-minded if buy it on release day or wait for the truth... I mean... for xomething elxe to be releaxed.
Now all we need are expanded THE ROCK, FACE/OFF, ARMAGEDDON, CON AIR, THE PEACEMAKER, THE LAST SAMURAI, and THE THIN RED LINE.
Sometimes you want to eat a Kobe Beef and sometimes you want a Hot Dog
Boy, "The Rock" and "Face/Off" would be great.
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Feb 10, 2011 - 12:44 PM
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Per
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I disagree, the music in the film is different from what is on the CD.
Examples please !
Ok, the "punching" sounds added to the mix in track 8 - Broken Arrow on the OST might not be in the film ... don't remember, since it's been a long time since I saw it the last time... But of course, there might be some other very minor differences (perhaps), but if so, none of that is something I would call "different".
Again, shortened/cutted etc., yes. But that doesn't mean the music is different. Only that it is, well, shorter
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Feb 13, 2011 - 11:53 AM
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Per
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Only little more than 2 days to go ... And as you can see, I might be just as much of a, if not more, Broken Arrow (or Zimmer) "freak" than some others who also have posted here  ... I know, I probably must have too little to do in my spare time...
Here are the, or a, tracklist for the new Broken Arrow. Of course not the official one from La-La Land. But at least how I hope it will will look like anyway; All cues in its original form, and not combined with another cue. Most of the cues have decent lengths originally anyway, and for the very few which is rather short, I don't think they will fit combining with another cue. And for those who might fit, adding, to give an example, a 2 min. cue to another which is already originally 15 min. in length doesn't make any sense ... And I really do hope there won't be any splitting of any original cues (with weird fadeouts-and in's), which is even worse than combining.
Note that even though a couple of tracks are not marked as containing any previously unreleased material, some, or at least one, actually could be considered as having so, since they have been faded (overlapped) for several seconds with another cue on the Milan CD (like for instance the end of "Main Title... " with "Stealth Mode...").
Again, for any difference between the Milan and in the film, I still am pretty sure (although I haven't compared all the music second by second  ), it's 99.9 % exactly the same stuff, only the original cues have been shortened and combined on the Milan CD. The only difference are the "punching" sounds which have been added to the mix in track 1+8 on the Milan CD (the same, or very similar sounds in track 1 are in the film!, but as for track 8, they are not present in the film.). Mayyybe there's perhaps also a slight different/shorter end on the Butterflies piece, I don't know (?)).
Hopefully the cues on La-La Land edition will contain (if only one version is present) the mixes without those punching sounds. If both are present, and one is a 'segment' I really hope the punching sound one will be the segment. But obviously I, and I'm sure others too, would prefer that the bonus material will not just be the edited stuff from the Milan CD, but some real bonus material.
(As for the long tracknames, these are actually the original/"official" titles used by Zimmer or whoever created them (except for tracks 9,10,11))
01 - Main Title / Boxing / Locker Bet (5:03)
02 - Reveal The Stealth / Nukes / Cockpit Chatter (1:52)
03 - Transition (0:38) *
04 - Stealth Mode / Deak's Story / Narrowed Eyes (6:20) **
05 - Flight Command Discovers Crash (0:18) *
06 - The Brass Confer (1:16) (Unused) * - I can't hear any music anyway
07 - First Team Arrives / Nukes Are Gone (2:42) *
08 - Hale Alone In Desert / Hale Meets Terry (3:43) **
09 - where they locate the bombs etc. (1:26) *
10 - where Deakins appear again (1:43) *
11 - where Deakins & co. ambush the team (1:23) *
12 - Helicopter Attacks Hale / Chopper Explodes (3:49) * / ***
13 - Giles & Lomax Compare Notes / Haz-Mat Team (2:14) *
14 - Hale Sees Convoy / Jump To Truck / Gas Bomb (4:53) **
15 - The Old Mine / Offloading Nukes / Deak In Pursuit (1:52) *
16 - Hale & Deak Talk / Nukes Armed / Deak To Mine / Shootout (15:49) ** / (***)
17 - Deak Kills Pritchett / Water Escape / EMP (2:17) *
18 - Butterflies / Comfort (1:57)
19 - Deak's Feelings / Boat Stowaways / Split Up (3:27) *
20 - Hale Talks To Lomax / The Rope-a-Dope (2:18) *
21 - Deak's Getaway Plan / Stowaway / Hammer Time (2:18) *
22 - Faceoffs / Standoffs / Gun Battle / Rotor Death / Impaled (17:04) **
23 - Finding $20 Bill / Terry & Hale Introduce Themselves / Credits (7:34) ***
Total time: 92 (++) min. (not counting any bonus material)
* Previously unreleased
** Contains previously unreleased material
*** Contains material not used in film
All of these tracks, and their timings, is how the original cues are like, except track 9,10,11. I don't have any info on those other than the timings are just how long they are in the film. They might be quite different originally... really hope these cues are included. There might also be more (unused ?!) cues from that place in the film (according to the reel and cue titles of the other tracks). Also between track 16+17 there might have been something, but if so, the film must have been edited afterwards, since there is no gap between those tracks in the film...
There is a couple of other short pieces of music in the film, but which I believe is just reused material from other cues; right after track 17, that's just the end of that track used again. And a piece between track 19 and 20, which is probably from the beginning of track 12.
As for the bonus material, unless it's (and i'll say it again) just the OST edited stuff, I'm very curious, and excited about what that might be. But to make some guesses, or suggestions; one thing I feel could be included, are for instance a quite very different mix of the cue "Deak's Feelings / ..." (# 19 on the tracklist), that's on Don Harper's 'Cinevisions' sampler CD. Not necessarely that exact track, since that's a weird, short "suite"/combining of 2 cues, but the original full cue(s) would be cool ... and/or any other different mixes, alternates, unused or demo material would be swell as well
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the only thing that will taint this release is those punching sound f/x.
they don't work at all. not even as drum beats of effect that add an extra "ummpph"
since Zimmer was likely no help i hope that LLL somehow found a master without it.
BTW, anyone else HATE when they used this music in SCREAM 2?
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