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 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It’s not my fault you don’t have the attention span for more than two sentences per post. But if you value civility, maybe reflect on the posts of yours I quoted and whether you could have exercised a bit more of it instead of being insulting towards those who are producing this release as well as those who are (however shockingly to you) excited for it.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

RED RIVER and DUEL IN THE SUN are classic magnificent scores that put BLACK PATCH to shame.

I like Duel in the Sun considerably more out of the two because it has more variety, but please tell me a cue and timestamp from Red River that has as beautiful a theme as the one I posted above from YouTube for Black Patch. Like I said, spurred on by your post I revisited the entire score and didn’t hear one.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Tell me Yavar ,would you be upset if Mr.Stromberg recorded some scores in the future that weren't composed by Jerry Goldsmith. I see you making plans for a Goldsmith takeover. By the way, that YouTube track from BLACK PATCH is pretty,but is it worthy of a new recording ? Of course , you think so.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

RED RIVER is an exciting score. I love the chorus work in the film.I love the showdown music when John Wayne is going to face-off with Montgomery Clift. There is so much to love in RED RIVER and I play it often. I thank Mr. Stromberg for recording it. I thank James Fitzpatrick and Luc at Prometheus for doing DUEL IN THE SUN.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I am sure that there would be enough of us who would dearly want Friedhofer's JOAN OF ARC willing to pay $100 for just one CD.
Please consider that. I am sure there are those on this board who wanted Jerry Goldsmith's first film recording BLACK PATCH who contributed $100 or more to make this happen.






Kickstarter announcements are a bit like ransom demands:

If you love your Goldsmith, pay attention! We have two of his family of scores in our possession and the only way you'll ever hear from them again is if you PAY us $38,000 by September 5th.
Any funny business or failure to meet our demands and you can say goodbye to both of them for good.
Pay up and we'll release them both sometime next year, after we're sure you haven't squealed about it.
You'd better take this seriously... cross us and you'll get burned, like Joan of Arc.

Signed: The Black Patch Man

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I am sure that there would be enough of us who would dearly want Friedhofer's JOAN OF ARC willing to pay $100 for just one CD.
Please consider that. I am sure there are those on this board who wanted Jerry Goldsmith's first film recording BLACK PATCH who contributed $100 or more to make this happen.






Kickstarter announcements are a bit like ransom demands:

If you love your Goldsmith, pay attention! We have two of his family of scores in our possession and the only way you'll ever hear from them again is if you PAY us $38,000 by September 5th.
Any funny business or failure to meet our demands and you can say goodbye to both of them for good.
Pay up and we'll release them both sometime next year, after we're sure you haven't squealed about it.
You'd better take this seriously... cross us and you'll get burned, like Joan of Arc.

Signed: The Black Patch Man


Basil, you are a very clever fellow. You brought a smile to my face.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2021 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

I must admit...As much as I love Goldsmith and he is my number one..I 'd rather like to see BAMBI...PRINCE VALIANT....THE CRIMSON PIRATE or any other big orchestral score getting the high quality treatment.
TARAS BULBA for me is the best re recording so far..cause it was really a shame that it only existed in poor mono quality.Its a symphony ...
Nevertheles I hope that the kickstarter will be successful for The Man...
And thats almost it for Goldsmiths.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


I guess I know it's a film (Joan of Arc) that exists, but it's pretty obscure now


No need to guess. There's plenty of Academy Award proof of its existence... it had an Oscar nominated score, Oscar nominated actress, Oscar nominated supporting actor, Oscar nominated editing, Oscar nominated art direction... Oscar Winner for cinematography, Oscar Winner for costume design, and more.


and it's seventy-three years old.


Seventy-three years... the very same year as other magnificent scores like Steiner's The Adventures of Don Juan and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. A veritable treasure trove year for film music.


I went to film school, and I've never seen a frame of this film, and I would imagine it only gets more obscure for people ten and twenty years younger than me.


I'd estimate that of the millions who have seen this film, at the cinema or through hundreds and hundreds of TV showings all over the world, less than 0.02 of them ever attended a film school. But some of the film's many Oscar Winners and Nominees might have done.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Amazing that while I think most people would see a Kickstarter as an opportunity they otherwise would not have had, others instead see it as a ransom demand. All I can say is that I’m glad that’s not a mindset I have to live with. It doesn’t strike me as clever, just sad.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Kickstarter announcements are a bit like ransom demands: (...)

Quite the take there, Basil. I can only shake my head.
No good deed appears to go unpunished...

And Cody, like the unsolicited quarrels you regularly start with Yavar here is some unsolicited feedback on your board appearance: You come across as a condescending, egotistic and bitter old man.

To get back to topic: 281 people currently in with $22,260. Way to go! smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I will contribute, though not sure yet how. I'm probably most interested in the high-res download, but in this case would probably also want the the CD (with the booklet etc. for the shelf), but there doesn't seem to be an option that includes both.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

I will contribute, though not sure yet how. I'm probably most interested in the high-res download, but in this case would probably also want the the CD (with the booklet etc. for the shelf), but there doesn't seem to be an option that includes both.

As it currently is I guess the only way is to pledge the $30 for the CD and then adding the download option for $25 in the following process. Including the shipping to Germany it'd be $71...

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I don't get it... Kickstarter is a great way to get projects off the ground. A re-recording like this costs a lot of money, and Kickstarter is just a way to see if actually enough people would support such a release by asking them to support it BEFORE the release. If enough people fund this, everyone gets their CD and the label does not face an enormous loss. Everybody's happy. Or should be. Or could be.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Kickstarter announcements are a bit like ransom demands: (...)

Quite the take there, Basil. I can only shake my head.
No good deed appears to go unpunished...

And Cody, like the unsolicited quarrels you regularly start with Yavar here is some unsolicited feedback on your board appearance: You come across as a condescending, egotistic and bitter old man.

To get back to topic: 281 people currently in with $22,260. Way to go! smile


Nice to know someone like Basil who has knowledge of American cinema on this board as so many of you do not.
Old man...perhaps. Bitter ...no.
As for you orbital, you would show wisdom if you followed the advice in your picture.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Like I said before, there is no chance that the BLACK PATCH proposed CD will not happen. All of you who want it will get it.
Yavar,Doug and Roger will not let it fail. Enjoy ! May all your wishes for everything that Jerry Goldsmith composed be granted.
Peace be with you.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Now where is that cry-babies gif ??

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I would buy a new recording of Hugo Friedhofer's score for Joan of Arc, by all means anyone go for it. Though I don't know how realistic a preposition that is.

But this Kickstarter is about Goldsmith's THE BLACK PATCH/THE MAN, which is an instant support-buy for me, as I have never seen either movie nor heard a clip of their respective scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I will contribute, though not sure yet how. I'm probably most interested in the high-res download, but in this case would probably also want the the CD (with the booklet etc. for the shelf), but there doesn't seem to be an option that includes both.

Nicolai, hope you figured it out as Orbital described. You have to click on the "CD" pledge option (or any "pledge" button), and then you get a window with the "Add ons" where the download is listed. It's $5 less as an add-on (seems like it should be half-price, or free with the CD like BSX releases).

I still recommend fans of other titles look for budget re-recordings by other means. How about JOAN OF ARC whistled by this guy?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2021 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I would buy a new recording of Hugo Friedhofer's score for Joan of Arc, by all means anyone go for it. Though I don't know how realistic a preposition that is.


Even in 2007 - at a time when there were still quite a lot of Golden Age CD releases from the various US labels - Roger posted this on the Intrada board:

"JOAN OF ARC would be great, but Friedhofer has such a small market that he may not immediately warrant the costs of a rerecording."
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=923&hilit=joan+of+arc

Now it is 14 years later and unfortunately interest in Golden Age scores has more and more dwindled down - also due to the fact that many collectors interested in such a score have passed away or are too old in the meantime. I myself would support a re-recording of JOAN OF ARC in a heartbeat with certainly a pledge of $100 - and would do the same for Friedhofer´s VERA CRUZ -, but how many people are still around who would do the same?
Here on this board it´s always only the same few people who are asking for a re-recording of JOAN OF ARC, but I doubt that there are hundreds of them which is a sad fact. And I suppose that in 5 years or more there will be even less people around as even more of the interested ones are just not there anymore. So the longer the wait is for a new recording of this score, the less people will be there to support it. Younger collectors certainly won´t replace the old ones.
And how many will really support such a recording with $1000 or more?
In my opinion it is therefore very unlikely that such a recording will still happen in the future. Maybe a Kickstarter campaign could at least have been tried out now, but in 3 or 5 years from now on?
Also such a JOAN OF ARC recording would of course be very expensive and the rather cheap $38.000 amount of the current Goldsmith Kickstarter campaign would not be sufficient. Probably even twice the amount for such a large orchestra plus chorus willl be needed. Who will pay for all this in current or even in future times?

 
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