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Please point me towards a single post of mine where I gave Friedhofer's JOAN OF ARC the thumbs-down.
KING OF KINGS isn't the best example for comparison, because unlike the Intrada Kickstarters, that Tadlow Kickstarter was not for the full cost of the recording. James Fitzpatrick said it ultimately covered less than half of the King of Kings expenses, the other half of which he covered himself. But you can't take Intrada/Doug Fake to task for not being willing to burn $54,000 of his own money to fund the other half of Joan of Arc.
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Ordered!
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May 13, 2022 - 5:46 PM
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But you can't take Intrada/Doug Fake to task for not being willing to burn $54,000 of his own money to fund the other half of Joan of Arc.
Yavar
If Intrada eventually sells 3,000 copies of both Spacecamp and Jumanji, the raising of their price by $6 (as they have done, to $30.99 instead of $24.99), will bring in an additional $36,000.
Interestingly, by also selling 3,000 of their NEXT release at $30.99, guess how much extra revenue will be generated by just the $6 extra... yes, $18,000 x 3 which adds up to exactly the $54,000 you mentioned.
You also mentioned Intrada not wanting to burn their own money, but maybe that won't be necessary as long as customers are happy to burn theirs instead.
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May 13, 2022 - 5:50 PM
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But you can't take Intrada/Doug Fake to task for not being willing to burn $54,000 of his own money to fund the other half of Joan of Arc.
Yavar
If Intrada eventually sells 3,000 copies of Spacecamp and Jumanji, the raising of their price by $6 (as they have done, to $30.99 instead of $24.99), will bring in an additional $36,000.
Interestingly, by also selling 3,000 of their NEXT release at $30.99, guess what the total extra revenue will be generated by the $6 extra... yes, $18,000 x 3 which adds up to exactly the $54,000 you mentioned.
Mo Money Mo Money and Mo Money!!
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Please point me towards a single post of mine where I gave Friedhofer's JOAN OF ARC the thumbs-down.
KING OF KINGS isn't the best example for comparison, because unlike the Intrada Kickstarters, that Tadlow Kickstarter was not for the full cost of the recording. James Fitzpatrick said it ultimately covered less than half of the King of Kings expenses, the other half of which he covered himself. But you can't take Intrada/Doug Fake to task for not being willing to burn $54,000 of his own money to fund the other half of Joan of Arc.
Yavar
Why could anyone except a score record label to fund a score release. Jesus Christ, the logic.
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Again I’m amazed that the concept of inflation hasn’t gotten through to some people. Everything costs more these days…isn’t the inflation index up more than 10% compared with last year, or something? I’m sure that all of Intrada’s expenses have gone up… printing costs for booklets, pressing costs for the CDs, hell even jewel cases are probably more expensive than they were a year or two ago. And not just manufacturing… mastering costs and licensing costs and whatnot have no doubt gone up too. They probably have to pay their liner notes writers more as well, etc. etc. etc. — because $50 these days simply doesn’t have the buying power of $50 a year ago, much less 5-10 years ago.
You want to blame someone? Blame greedy oil companies who jacked up gas prices and whose profits are right now in the middle of a 70-year high! Blame all sorts of big industry who are doing the same. Them raising prices to enrich their CEOs and stockholders is what trickles down to all corners of the economy and forces small outfits like Intrada to raise their prices. If you think it’s Roger and Doug who are the greedy ones here you should have your head examined: $30.99 is the equivalent of $17.20 a quarter century ago when these film music labels really started going with limited editions for $19.99 (for a single CD). Their prices have actually been lowering this entire time while so many folks here whine and complain:
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2022?endYear=1997&amount=30.99
And Basil? Most Intrada 2 CD sets, when they were licensing from both a record label (Sony in this case) and a separate film licensor (ABC in this case), have been $29.99 for YEARS (usually the $24.99 2CD sets don’t require those expensive multiple licenses — or look at the packed 11-score 4CD Waxman set which Intrada only priced at a bargain $39.99 a few years ago…all licensed direct from film studio alone.)
Case in point: Alien 2CD from 2007 has always been priced at $29.99 from the very beginning (by the way, $29.99 in 2007 is the rough equivalent of nearly $42 today — so yeah, if you’ve waited this long to get it, it’s a bargain in comparison!)
https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.5613/.f
They’ve raised the price on this (and Jumanji) ONE dollar, not six… and going by the inflation index by all rights they should have raised their price by THREE dollars or more.
But as Roger wrote me a few days ago, “I decided to stop engaging on FSM for now. These folks don’t understand the economics, never will and don’t care” (he also acknowledged that a lot of people here were supportive, to be fair, but that it wasn’t enough for him to want to stick around for all the endless negativity).
It’s not your dollars on the line, or your attempt to make a living while bringing out film music for posterity. But goodness do some folks with no experience or knowledge of the expenses and realities of the industry love to tell other people what financial risks they should take.
I’ve had my say, so I’ll get off my soapbox now and leave the discussion to SpaceCamp (hopefully) rather than more insinuations that Intrada is out to bilk their gullible customer base.
Yavar
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Can't wait to get this, one of my favorites by JW! Thanks Intrada, never in a million years did I think we get an expanded Space Camp!
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I'm still trying to figure out when to complete the purchase. JUMANJI and then THE LAST STARFIGHTER was also re-released but was there something new coming down the pipeline from Intrada or LLL this month?
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But as Roger wrote me a few days ago, “I decided to stop engaging on FSM for now. These folks don’t understand the economics, never will and don’t care” (he also acknowledged that a lot of people here were supportive, to be fair, but that it wasn’t enough for him to want to stick around for all the endless negativity).
Don't worry... I'm sure the next Intrada Kickstarter will be enough reason "for him to want to stick around". Hopefully he'll find the folks here "care" enough and are more than able to "understand the economics" of reaching into their pockets and handing out thousands of dollars to the label.
This is 100% true. I couldn’t have said it better myself Basil.
Also, I’m sure Roger appreciates Yavar sharing all of their messages on here. Either way, Intrada will be back begging for money soon enough.
As for Yavar lecturing everyone on inflation, this is the same guy who said in another thread he was having major tax issues and didn’t know why so I would encourage him to settle up with the federal government before talking about economics.
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SPACECAMP' EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW ON THE LEGACY OF JOHN WILLIAMS:
The Legacy of John Williams presents a special "bonus" episode celebrating the new expanded edition of John Williams' SPACECAMP, now available from Intrada. Editor Maurizio Caschetto and Head Contributor Tim Burden present TWO FULL TRACKS from the new release, including the long-awaited unreleased cue "Arriving at Daedalus".
An in-depth conversation with Mike Matessino discussing this new release is coming soon, but as a special treat to our readers and listeners, The Legacy of John Williams presents this bonus “prologue” episode. Sit back, relax and prepare to enjoy a special treat, courtesy of Intrada and Mike Matessino.
https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/05/14/spacecamp-expanded-preview
Enjoy and listen until the end 
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SPACECAMP' EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW ON THE LEGACY OF JOHN WILLIAMS:
The Legacy of John Williams presents a special "bonus" episode celebrating the new expanded edition of John Williams' SPACECAMP, now available from Intrada. Editor Maurizio Caschetto and Head Contributor Tim Burden present TWO FULL TRACKS from the new release, including the long-awaited unreleased cue "Arriving at Daedalus".
An in-depth conversation with Mike Matessino discussing this new release is coming soon, but as a special treat to our readers and listeners, The Legacy of John Williams presents this bonus “prologue” episode. Sit back, relax and prepare to enjoy a special treat, courtesy of Intrada and Mike Matessino.
https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/05/14/spacecamp-expanded-preview
Enjoy and listen until the end
Outstanding! Thank you so much!
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But as Roger wrote me a few days ago, “I decided to stop engaging on FSM for now. These folks don’t understand the economics, never will and don’t care” (he also acknowledged that a lot of people here were supportive, to be fair, but that it wasn’t enough for him to want to stick around for all the endless negativity).
Don't worry... I'm sure the next Intrada Kickstarter will be enough reason "for him to want to stick around". Hopefully he'll find the folks here "care" enough and are more than able to "understand the economics" of reaching into their pockets and handing out thousands of dollars to the label.
This is 100% true. I couldn’t have said it better myself Basil.
Also, I’m sure Roger appreciates Yavar sharing all of their messages on here. Either way, Intrada will be back begging for money soon enough.
As for Yavar lecturing everyone on inflation, this is the same guy who said in another thread he was having major tax issues and didn’t know why so I would encourage him to settle up with the federal government before talking about economics.
Why are you being a dick towards Roger and Intrada? I don't recall them being hostile towards you.[/
Questioning a repetitive album, how complete it is or even when it goes on sale is now being a dick? Don’t worry your precious Roger will be back when he needs money for his next album.
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HalloweenBorg:
Questioning a repetitive album, how complete it is or even when it goes on sale is now being a dick? Don’t worry your precious Roger will be back when he needs money for his next album.
Wow, that was awful.
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