So your opinion to be honest is at best highly suspect due to the fact you haven't seen one of the very best TREK series IMHO.
When you do, let us know.
Ford A. Thaxton
So I skipped one series and suddenly I know nothing about Star Trek or what makes for good Star Trek? There's some logic for ya. Sorry, I wasn't into in Star Trek: The Cantina. I'm not into ridiculous looking alien characters with ears the size of their faces.
Its Star Trek because it calls itself Star Trek. Okay. BTW, very successful is very debatable. Please don't go by CBS All Access subscriber numbers they love to brag about. They manipulate the numbers more than your average millionaire doing their taxes.
Its Star Trek because it calls itself Star Trek. Okay. BTW, very successful is very debatable. Please don't go by CBS All Access subscriber numbers they love to brag about. They manipulate the numbers more than your average millionaire doing their taxes.
So your opinion to be honest is at best highly suspect due to the fact you haven't seen one of the very best TREK series IMHO.
When you do, let us know.
Ford A. Thaxton
So I skipped one series and suddenly I know nothing about Star Trek or what makes for good Star Trek? There's some logic for ya. Sorry, I wasn't into in Star Trek: The Cantina. I'm not into ridiculous looking alien characters with ears the size of their faces.
You have disqualified yourself, Sir.
And should have earned him a long session of questioning by Elim Garak of his knowledge of the history of Star Trek.
I know that a lot of people here don't like the new series, but I think it is getting better every week and Jeff Russo is giving us some good stuff. I hope that the second half of the season gets a release and soon.
I know that a lot of people here don't like the new series, but I think it is getting better every week and Jeff Russo is giving us some good stuff. I hope that the second half of the season gets a release and soon.
I think the show is outstanding and this week's episode is just great.
Full of emotion, cool action and the promise of the return of 7 of next week.
So your opinion to be honest is at best highly suspect due to the fact you haven't seen one of the very best TREK series IMHO.
When you do, let us know.
Ford A. Thaxton
So I skipped one series and suddenly I know nothing about Star Trek or what makes for good Star Trek? There's some logic for ya. Sorry, I wasn't into in Star Trek: The Cantina. I'm not into ridiculous looking alien characters with ears the size of their faces.
You have disqualified yourself, Sir.
And should have earned him a long session of questioning by Elim Garak of his knowledge of the history of Star Trek.
This last episode was the best one, and it is refreshing to see Picard lecture her and then revenge be given it's leash anyway. There is an imperfection to these people that is something refreshing here in Trekdom. This is not at all a perfect series. And I still find TNG way more rewarding. But Picard is getting along with it's path now.
Its not that I just don't like it. It ignores, destroys and betrays the principles, fundamentals and canon of the franchise along with the esthetics. Make enough changes its no longer the same thing.
I remember this same thing being said about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine back when it rolled out....
As far I'm concerned PICARD is quite good on it's own terms.
Ford A. Thaxton
I didn't watch Deep Space 9. It might have been "darker" but it didn't ignore canon. Yet Orville looks and feels like Star Trek.
Solium is not wrong. It is a well made series in terms of production craft, and mostly in terms of acting, although Avery Brooks much too often fell into shoot for the rafters scenery chewing. But it was often a very dull show, lots of overly ponderous mythologizing. The more action piece shows when they got off the base were pretty good. But despite the serious cult love for it I do not at all find it anywhere near the best Trek show. This is Trek apostasy I know, but I actually find Voyager far more satisfying.
This last episode was the best one, and it is refreshing to see Picard lecture her and then revenge be given it's leash anyway. There is an imperfection to these people that is something refreshing here in Trekdom. This is not at all a perfect series. And I still find TNG way more rewarding. But Picard is getting along with it's path now.
I'm really enjoying the show. It's only 7 episodes in and it's leagues ahead of where TNG, DS9, or Voyager (I won't even mention Enterprise in that context) were at that point. Star Trek is a near religious thing for a lot of people. I have seen practically every single hour of Trek put to screen (haven't watched all of Discovery), was there during TOS in its original NBC run, and have enjoyed all the movies to varying degrees. Many cling to the perfect, utopian vision Roddenberry mandated but Star Trek has really never been that. There has always been conflict in this universe both within the Federation and outside. Yes, Picard is a bit bleak in terms of where this character is now at this point in his life and time but I see a clear journey to him rediscovering who he was before the crisis. In a sense, Starfleet itself may be just as lost and disillusioned and it to needs to rediscover itself... possibly through whatever impact Picard's actions have. I endured some downright terrible episodes of TNG to get to the consistent good stuff of season 3. I will give this the same effort.
Ditto. It's closest in spirit to TOS. One of its very best episodes, The Void:
Now, had they only kicked off the show this way. Ah well…
O, thanks buddy. Yeah, excellent, really there were many very high quality episodes, yeah, they had some real clunkers too, like all Trek series, but Voyager is underappreciated, very high quality production, excellent effects and superb scores and often pretty good writing.
Ditto. It's closest in spirit to TOS. One of its very best episodes, The Void:
Now, had they only kicked off the show this way. Ah well…
O, thanks buddy. Yeah, excellent, really there were many very high quality episodes, yeah, they had some real clunkers too, like all Trek series, but Voyager is underappreciated, very high quality production, excellent effects and superb scores and often pretty good writing.
I remember there being some good drama and interpersonal conflict in Voyager. As I said, I'm by no means an expert on DS9 but my recollection is the show kinda turned into Star Wars in its later seasons.
Many cling to the perfect, utopian vision Roddenberry mandated but Star Trek has really never been that. There has always been conflict in this universe both within the Federation and outside.
This has been and continues to be a strawman argument.
No one has ever stipulated that conflict doesn't or shouldn't exist in Trek — not even Roddenberry — only how it is addressed from the cultural and political standpoint of the post-scarcity society he had sketched out, i.e. one unburdened by the destructive social, political, religious and economic ills of the past (racism, sexism, sectarianism, classicism, etc. circa 1965).
The popular disdain for JJ Trek, ST: Discovery and now ST: Picard is because the producers and writers of these entries have purposefully tossed the baby out with the bathwater — the very thing that made Trek Trek — based solely on the cynical gambit that the demographic CBS is attempting to seduce to sign up for their streaming service is more predisposed to watching nihilistic, reactionary, violence laden, identitarian based soap operas.
In effect: if Star Trek were the Catholic Church, JJ Kurtzman et al essentially assassinated the Holy Trinity and enthroned Tony Robbins, King of Pyramid Schemes at the centre of the Catechism for the big payoff down the road … and I don't mean spiritual salvation.
Many cling to the perfect, utopian vision Roddenberry mandated but Star Trek has really never been that. There has always been conflict in this universe both within the Federation and outside.
This has been and continues to be a strawman argument.
No one has ever stipulated that conflict doesn't or shouldn't exist in Trek — not even Roddenberry — only how it is addressed from the cultural and political standpoint of the post-scarcity society he had sketched out, i.e. one unburdened by the destructive social, political, religious and economic ills of the past (racism, sexism, sectarianism, classicism, etc. circa 1965).
The popular disdain for JJ Trek, ST: Discovery and now ST: Picard is because the producers and writers of these entries have purposefully tossed the baby out with the bathwater — the very thing that made Trek Trek — based solely on the cynical gambit that the demographic CBS is attempting to seduce to sign up for their streaming service is more predisposed to watching nihilistic, reactionary, violence laden, identitarian based soap operas.
In effect: if Star Trek were the Catholic Church, JJ Kurtzman et al essentially assassinated the Holy Trinity and enthroned Tony Robbins, King of Pyramid Schemes at the centre of the Catechism for the big payoff down the road … and I don't mean spiritual salvation.
Point taken. However, times change and so does society. Star Trek has always responded to current political and societal trends and we are witnessing some humdingers at the present time. There is an ideal humanity and most rational people probably wish for the kind of world Roddenberry dreamed of. But there are two issues that can be raised with that. By the 23rd century mankind has already achieved it and can rest assured that such is the default nature of things (a conceit in my opinion) and that vigil is no longer necessary to maintain that stability. Even in non-Kurtzman Trek there were always tendencies within the Federation to revert back to the old fears and paranoia (Admiral Cartwrights prejudice against Klingons and willingness to let them come to ruin, Admiral Satie and her McCartheistic witch hunts for Romulan conspirators in The Drumhead - Picard even says that they must be vigilant against such fearmongering in the future).
I tend to look at it as though the perfect utopian human values that Roddenberry proposes are still very much a work in progress even in the 24th century. I can accept that a major galactic crisis such as the Romulan and synthetic upheavals as shown in Picard are a test of those values. I'm willing to be patient and see how they resolve these challenges.
