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 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   JThree   (Member)


I keep thinking they're referencing old themes in this series, Did any of you catch "The Inner Light" suite? Somebody mentioned that there was a Romulan cue that was similar to what was played in TOS? Can anybody tell me what episode and where that cue happened?

--jthree

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

I keep thinking they're referencing old themes in this series, Did any of you catch "The Inner Light" suite? Somebody mentioned that there was a Romulan cue that was similar to what was played in TOS? Can anybody tell me what episode and where that cue happened?

--jthree


The Romulan theme from "Balance of Terror" was heard in the first episode during the Borg Cube reveal.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Of course, you know the saying: if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck? Or maybe the term: uncanny valley?

Well, to a significant number of fans watching, Nu-Trek sorta looks like…



…celebrity cosmetic surgery gone very, very wrong.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Vincent Bernard   (Member)

Nah, it took me eleven days to feel up to returning to this thread to read the predictable cut-downs and insults by my fellow FSM'ers.

No need for that. The door's right there!

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Music-wise I thought Episode 7 was the best so far, perhaps with the exception of the action music. I just find Russo's take on it very unimaginative and bland.

Everything else was quite good, and I thought the quotes of the familiar Star Trek-themes worked very well this time around (In comparison I think there was a quote of Courage's theme in Episode 6 which just felt very arkward and out of place).


Was wondering if anyone did catch Chattaway's "Lullaby #2" during the episode?
What is Lullaby #2 anyway? I figure it must be his popular theme from "The Inner Light", but on Lala-Land's release the Lullaby is named "Lullaby #1" & "#1A".

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

Stopped watching so I can binge.
I think this would have made for better viewing with the all at once model.
Either way I've enjoyed the first 4 episodes greatly.
Russo's music is subtle but I'm generally enjoying it more than the Berman Era tin-eared drones of Dennis McCarthy. A talented composer who was knee-capped by a Executive Producer who was seemingly tone deaf.
I briefly scanned the above arguments / pissing contests about whether DSC and PIC are Star Trek. I recall the almost exact same discussions leading up to TNG and DS9. The answers then are the same as now.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   JThree   (Member)

I keep thinking they're referencing old themes in this series, Did any of you catch "The Inner Light" suite? Somebody mentioned that there was a Romulan cue that was similar to what was played in TOS? Can anybody tell me what episode and where that cue happened?

--jthree


The Romulan theme from "Balance of Terror" was heard in the first episode during the Borg Cube reveal.


Was that on the first episode of Picard?

===jthree

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

I keep thinking they're referencing old themes in this series, Did any of you catch "The Inner Light" suite? Somebody mentioned that there was a Romulan cue that was similar to what was played in TOS? Can anybody tell me what episode and where that cue happened?

--jthree


The Romulan theme from "Balance of Terror" was heard in the first episode during the Borg Cube reveal.


Was that on the first episode of Picard?

===jthree


Yes. at the end of episode 1 "Remembrances".

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. Solium: nicely done, Sir.

Yeah, it only took you eleven days to come up with that!


Nah, it took me eleven days to feel up to returning to this thread to read the predictable cut-downs and insults by my fellow FSM'ers.


@ Mr. Solium: not so much "fellow FSM'ers" than a few overly brittle, perpuetually offended, "wokesters"™ wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Mr. Solium: nicely done, Sir.

Yeah, it only took you eleven days to come up with that!


Nah, it took me eleven days to feel up to returning to this thread to read the predictable cut-downs and insults by my fellow FSM'ers.


@ Mr. Solium: not so much "fellow FSM'ers" than a few overly brittle, perpuetually offended, "wokesters"™ wink


big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Timo47   (Member)

Point taken. However, times change and so does society. Star Trek has always responded to current political and societal trends and we are witnessing some humdingers at the present time.

Yes Star Trek has always dealt with the political and socials themes of the times it was made in. But there's a major difference in how this was done before compared to now.

Put simply: if the original Star Trek had handled the themes of its time in the same way as PIC is doing it today, we would never have seen a black women and a Russian on the bridge of a starship. And it would never inspired millions of people. It's strength was that it dared going against current trends by disguising itself as a show set in space and in the future.
Current Trek however simply gives in to current day trends. We live in times were world leaders are making countries retreat on themselves? So they just depict the Federation in the same way. And that's it. There's no debate or discussion about this. It's presented just as a fact and we have to swallow it.

And this is what bothers me the most about this show. It introduces changes to the world of Star Trek as we have known it for a long time and it doesn't even bother properly introducing or explaining them. Such as the synth ban: this was a single line in 1 episode and we are just supposed to accept it? Nobody opposed this? Really? I just don't buy it.
And a discussion around that kind of subject is exactly what I would expect from a show centered around the character of Picard. If there's one character in the Star Trek universe suited for this kind of storytelling I would expect it to be him.
But no, instead we get Freecloud, Romulan spies and whole bunch of other superfluous stuff that I personally just can't get excited about.

I can accept that a major galactic crisis such as the Romulan and synthetic upheavals as shown in Picard are a test of those values. I'm willing to be patient and see how they resolve these challenges.

I'm really puzzled as to why you think that these challenges are going to be resolved. Nothing that has happened in these first 7 episodes points to that. So far this show has not been about discussing or testing those values. Picard is not working on restoring those values. He's an out-of-touch old man stumbling through the galaxy looking for some Android girl because she's connected to Data. That's all. The little advice he tries to give is ignored by everyone around him.
No, I think you are applying an expectation from previous Trek shows to PIC that simply is not there. This not that kind of Star Trek anymore.

Of course it's always possible that the last episode will reveal how synths attack on Mars was simply a Tal Shiar or Zhat Vhaj plot and that this will suddenly make everything alright again in the universe. But that would be f*cking lame.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

One day Star Trek will be good again. Well, maybe.

Why is this argument even allowed to take place? We're supposed to be discussing the merits of the score alone here. There's another section of the forum for you guys to beat down Star Trek to the ground.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Why is this argument even allowed to take place? We're supposed to be discussing the merits of the score alone here. There's another section of the forum for you guys to beat down Star Trek to the ground.

I was wondering the very same thing. This thread's really gone off the rails.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Giant Robot   (Member)

One day Star Trek will be good again. Well, maybe.

Why is this argument even allowed to take place? We're supposed to be discussing the merits of the score alone here. There's another section of the forum for you guys to beat down Star Trek to the ground.


Because it’s the de facto gate keeping attitude of fans who are vocal about Star Trek as a concept. It always turns into this.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

"Star Trek: Picard" actually is one of the best rated shows on Amazon Prime.

The handful of message board members hating it apparently does not have any influence.

They are also counted as viewers since they watch every episode.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I am about 2-3 years behind on Discovery, but I finally started watching it and I am actually pleasantly surprised how good it is.
The level of production craft is very high, the sets and visual effects are quite good. And I actually like some of these characters, and it has a story arc, so far anyway.

I am willing to let Picard work through it's paces and get where it needs to be. I heard that this last episode was the best yet.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"Star Trek: Picard" actually is one of the best rated shows on Amazon Prime.

The handful of message board members hating it apparently does not have any influence.

They are also counted as viewers since they watch every episode.


On RT's the audience score is 64% and that's with a beloved character in the dang title of the series. And its not just a handful on message boards members "hating" it. People who are life long ST fans consider this a turkey.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

"Star Trek: Picard" actually is one of the best rated shows on Amazon Prime.

The handful of message board members hating it apparently does not have any influence.

They are also counted as viewers since they watch every episode.


On RT's the audience score is 64% and that's with a beloved character in the dang title of the series. And its not just a handful on message boards members "hating" it. People who are life long ST fans consider this a turkey.


That may be so - but they are a small minority against those who love it.

And no message board members will change that, no matter how often they declare that the life long ST fans "consider this a turkey".

I am a life long ST fan, too. And I consider it a worthy successor to the previous series.

That does not mean I am right and you are wrong. But it doesn't mean the opposite either.

And it is sad that the argument against the new Star Trek series or the new Star Wars trilogy always seems to be based on "I hate it, many others do, too, so we are right".

Everybody can state their opinion. Sure. But why hover around then on a thread for people who like what they see and hear? If I don't like something I stop watching or listening to it and move on to things that give me pleasure. It´s as simple as that.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2020 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Was wondering if anyone did catch Chattaway's "Lullaby #2" during the episode?
What is Lullaby #2 anyway? I figure it must be his popular theme from "The Inner Light", but on Lala-Land's release the Lullaby is named "Lullaby #1" & "#1A".


I saw the credit but didn't hear it in the episode. But then I didn't hear Steiner either until it was pointed out to me.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2020 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Yeah, it's odd. Now that episode 8 is out, Chattaway's credit for "Lullaby #2" still is there, and yet no one (myself included) did notice anything.

That aside, episode 8 did use a bit of Steiner's "Balance of Terror"-theme again for the romulans departing from the Borg cube.

 
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