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 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've now reached a point in my JW 'fandom' that I've seen ALL the feature films he's scored and own some sort of recording of everything.

But one frontier remains - his TV music!

Even here I've seen quite a bit, and own musical recordings (both commercially released and otherwise) of several things, but there's still a JUNGLE out there of unexplored, lost, buried and unseen/unheard treasures. And the last couple of years have seen the appearance of even MORE stuff that was hitherto unknown (NIGHTWATCH, 11th HOUR, WHO GOES THERE? etc.).

So how does one go about unearthing these things?

I wish someone made an extensive and detailed discography/filmograhy/buyer's guide of this material. Would give a decent overview, at least, even if some of it was impossible to find.

What's your most-desired, completely unreleased Williams TV work that you want to see? Or that should get a soundtrack?

Here's my compilation of what I know, in addition to all the details provided below:

GENERAL ELECTRIC THEATER (1953-1962)
--- Season 8: 3 episodes?
--- Season 9: 3 episodes
--- Season 10: 1-3 episodes?
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93880&forumID=1&archive=0

PLAYHOUSE 90 (1956-1960)
--- ???
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=106748&forumID=1&archive=0

M SQUAD (1957-1960)
--- Season 2: 8 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99017&forumID=1&archive=0

BACHELOR FATHER (1957-1962)
--- Theme (Season 3)
--- Season 2: 8 episodes
--- Season 3: 37 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=98355&forumID=1&archive=0

TALES OF WELLS FARGO (1957-1962)
--- Season 5: ??
--- Season 6: ??
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=106747&forumID=1&archive=0

WAGON TRAIN (1957-1965)
--- Season 2: 4 episodes
--- Season 7: 1 episode
--- Season 8: 1 episode
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=19918&forumID=1&archive=1

MARKHAM (1959-1960)
--- Season 1: 1 episode

CHECKMATE (1960-1962)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 36 episodes
--- Season 2: 4 episodes

ALCOA PREMIERE THEATER (1961-1963)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 28 episodes
--- Season 2: 28 episodes

BEN CASEY (1961-1966)
--- Season 4: 1 episode
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=58320&forumID=1&archive=0

KRAFT MYSTERY THEATRE -- SECOND INCARNATION (1961-1963)
--- Theme (season 3)
--- Season 3: 3 episodes

WIDE COUNTRY (1962-1963)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: Pilot (part of ALCOA PREMIERE)

THE ELEVENTH HOUR (1962-1964)
--- Season 2: 1 episode

THE VIRGINIAN (1962-1971)
--- ??? (tracked music from WAGON TRAIN?)

KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER (1963-1965)
--- Theme (Season 1 and 2)
--- Season 1: 16 episodes
--- Season 2: 2 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93204&forumID=1&archive=0

BOB HOPE PRESENTS THE CHRYSLER THEATER (1963-1967)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 3 episodes(?)
--- Season 2: 1 episode (?)
--- Season 3: 4 episodes (?)
--- Season 4: 1 episode (?)
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=80770&forumID=1&archive=0

THE GHOSTBREAKER (1964)
--- Pilot (unsold)

GILLIGAN'S ISLAND (1964-1967)
--- Pilot (unaired)
--- Season ?: ?? episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=58620&forumID=1&archive=0

LOST IN SPACE (1964-1968)
--- Theme (Season 1 and 2)
--- Season 1: 4 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=60348&forumID=1&archive=0

CONVOY (1965)
--- Season 1: 2 episodes

NIGHTWATCH (1965)
--- Pilot (unsold)

WHO GOES THERE? (1965)
--- Pilot (unsold)
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=84878&forumID=1&archive=0

WAYNE AND SHUSTER TAKE AN AFFECTIONATE LOOK AT... (1966)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 6 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=85204&forumID=1&archive=0

THE TIME TUNNEL (1966-1967)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 1 episode
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=60202&forumID=1&archive=0

THE TAMMY GRIMES SHOW (1966)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 10 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=80715&forumID=1&archive=0

LAND OF THE GIANTS (1968-1970)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 1 episode
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=60101&forumID=1&archive=0

THE COWBOYS (1972)
--- Theme (adaptation)

NBC NEWS (1985)
--- Various themes and bumpers
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=26758&forumID=1&archive=1

AMAZING STORIES (1985-1987)
--- Theme
--- Season 1: 2 episodes
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=29348&forumID=1&archive=1

EVENING AT POPS (1970-2005)
--- Theme (1980?)

OLYMPIC THEMES FOR TV BROADCAST (1984-2002)
--- 1984: "Olympic Fanfare and Theme"
--- 1988: "Olympic Spirit"
--- 1996: "Summon the Heroes"
--- 2002: "Call of the Champions"
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=32886&forumID=1&archive=1

MASTERPIECE THEATER (2000)
--- Theme
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=1148&forumID=1&archive=1

NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (2006)
---Theme
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=36499&forumID=1&archive=1

I have omitted the TV films for now, but would have to add them eventually.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'd like his Checkmate scores, if they exist, and any other Irwin Allen TV music that hasn't already made it out, assuming there is more of this.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'd like his Checkmate scores, if they exist, and any other Irwin Allen TV music that hasn't already made it out, assuming there is more of this.

Both of those are some of the BEST represented Williams TV work, though, both the shows themselves and the music. There's the rerecording for CHECKMATE and the individual scores for the Irwin Allen shows which -- to my knowledge -- have ALL been released on soundtracks from GNP etc.

Also, they all have a fullfledged DVD release.

So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.


That's what I meant. But do you know if there is more Irwin Allen stuff that never made it to the CDs? I think all the Lost in Space music is there, but I don't know about the other shows.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)



So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.


That's what I meant. But do you know if there is more Irwin Allen stuff that never made it to the CDs? I think all the Lost in Space music is there, but I don't know about the other shows.


Yes, all of Williams' music for LOST IN SPACE, THE TIME TUNNEL and LAND OF THE GIANTS has been released.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   mike.petersen   (Member)

I've now reached a point in my JW 'fandom' that I've seen ALL the feature films he's scored, except STORIA DI UNA DONNA (1970) -- which is basically lost -- and own some sort of recording of everything.

But one frontier remains - his TV music!

Even here I've seen quite a bit, and own musical recordings (both commercially released and otherwise) of several things, but there's still a JUNGLE out there of unexplored, lost, buried and unseen/unheard treasures. And the last couple of years have seen the appearance of even MORE stuff that was hitherto unknown (NIGHTWATCH, 11th HOUR, WHO GOES THERE? etc.).

So how does one go about unearthing these things?

I wish someone made an extensive and detailed discography/filmograhy/buyer's guide of this material. Would give a decent overview, at least, even if some of it was impossible to find.

Of the "buried" material, the one I'm mostly curious about is probably KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER. I've seen an episode or two, and have audio rips of a few more, but it sounds like something worth seeing.

What's your most-desired, completely unreleased Williams TV work that you want to see? Or that should get a soundtrack?


I really want Gilligan's Island. I grew up on that stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Kraft Suspense Theater is it for me too. Also it is my favorite TV theme of his.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I really want Gilligan's Island. I grew up on that stuff.

Of course, the show itself is readily available on DVD, but yeah -- it would be nice with a soundtrack release. Even if the cues are very short and sit com-like, lots of stingers and mickey-mousing and such (coconut falling on Gilligan's head, Gilligan fishing etc.).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Kraft Suspense Theater is it for me too. Also it is my favorite TV theme of his.

As far as I know, this show never got a video release, right? No DVD's etc.? I wonder why that is. Isn't it a fairly famous show?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Thor, your title "JW's TV Jungle", for some reason has me picturing the maestro in a loin cloth swinging from vine to vine.


It's not really Johnny, but perhaps DOGPLANT can do his JW Photo Shop Magic on this. DOG?:


Did Williams ever score a Jungle Picture?

Goldsmith had his MEDICINE MAN

and

Bernstein had his RAMPAGE.


Even Alex North had AFRICA.

And back to topic, you know I'd love to have all the Early Williams TV Score Treasures possible.

He really produced so much outstanding work in his Boot Camp days!

Give us more somebody!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, the INDIANA JONESes have plenty of jungle in them. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Kraft Suspense Theater is it for me too. Also it is my favorite TV theme of his.

Same here, Morricone. I wish it was on a C.D. compliation spotlighting his television work for Revue/Universal Television, which had one of the most arresting main title sequences in the history of television (the two shadowy figures running against the darkness).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Well, the INDIANA JONESes have plenty of jungle in them. smile

I must have blacked out for awhile. Of course the INDY Films. What a dope I am!

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.

The album is terrific, but having watched every single Checkmate episode Williams ever scored, I can say that the episode scores were generally not that interesting compared with his music for Alcoa Premiere and Kraft Suspense.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.

The album is terrific, but having watched every single Checkmate episode Williams ever scored, I can say that the episode scores were generally not that interesting compared with his music for Alcoa Premiere and Kraft Suspense.


That's true. I've seen a few CHECKMATE episodes too, and they're not in that league. However, I think they were interesting enough to warrant a separate release, including the episode scores not represented on the existing album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Kraft Suspense Theater is it for me too. Also it is my favorite TV theme of his.

As far as I know, this show never got a video release, right? No DVD's etc.? I wonder why that is. Isn't it a fairly famous show?


Because it was an omnibus style program with no identifiable link. The only programs of this fashion that gained a real following in later years were the ones that had a host of some sort. Alfred Hitchcock, Rod Serling, Boris Karloff, even the control voice on the OUTER LIMITS provided some sort of glue to the varied and contrasting tales presented. So even though some of the greatest American television was presented on shows like Playhouse 90, the US Steel Hour, Alcoa Premiere, the Armstrong Circle Theater or the Philco Television Playhouse, if that material exists, no one has tried to release any anthology series in a comprehensive form. As far as I know anyway.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Alcoa Premiere had a host (Fred Astaire), as did General Electric Theatre (Ronald Reagan). Most of the anthology series with DVD releases you mention are sci-fi/horror-related, which may explain their continuing popularity compared to dramatic anthology series. (Alfred Hitchcock is a special case, I suppose.)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   sr-miller   (Member)

So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.

The album is terrific, but having watched every single Checkmate episode Williams ever scored, I can say that the episode scores were generally not that interesting compared with his music for Alcoa Premiere and Kraft Suspense.


I agree, I love the Checkmate CD, but, having gotten through the first season on DVD, I doubt you could cull more than a single 60 minute CD from the whole series of anything anyone would want to listen to outside the episodes.
I'm unfamiliar with the music of Alcoa and Kraft.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Story of a Woman might not be lost. Universal released the film and it's been on television before (according to IMDb, it aired on NBC in 1972 and it's possibly run in syndication). Universal keeps their original masters and negatives in a Philadelphia vault so a Universal Vault Series is possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2012 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Kraft Suspense Theater is it for me too. Also it is my favorite TV theme of his.

As far as I know, this show never got a video release, right? No DVD's etc.? I wonder why that is. Isn't it a fairly famous show?


Because it was an omnibus style program with no identifiable link. The only programs of this fashion that gained a real following in later years were the ones that had a host of some sort. Alfred Hitchcock, Rod Serling, Boris Karloff, even the control voice on the OUTER LIMITS provided some sort of glue to the varied and contrasting tales presented. So even though some of the greatest American television was presented on shows like Playhouse 90, the US Steel Hour, Alcoa Premiere, the Armstrong Circle Theater or the Philco Television Playhouse, if that material exists, no one has tried to release any anthology series in a comprehensive form. As far as I know anyway.



"Kraft Television Theatre" (which has the distinction of airing on two different networks [N.B.C. and A.B.C.]) which aired from 1948 to 1958, is NOT the same show as "Kraft Suspense Theatre", which was coproduced by Romcom Films (Perry Como's production company) and Universal Television. It ran for two seasons on N.B.C. from 1963 to 1965, and deserves a D.V.D. release (are you listening, Timeless?).

 
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