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 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Hey, why is there so much talk about composers OTHER than Williams here?


Well... maybe it's because Williams' music isn't sexy! Nothing wrong with expanding the conversation to include composers who can create that kind of music, is there?

To me, Williams is a pure, old-fashioned romantic. But I think Barry, Vangelis and (once in a while) Goldsmith have created music with sexual undercurrents.

It's kinda like asking if Korngold's music had a sexual quality... he just wasn't that kinda guy.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   David Kessler   (Member)

Williams Imperial March no doubt about it...especially if you´re into s/m stuff...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Lester Sullivan   (Member)

There indeed IS sexy Korngold music, but it's in his operas, especially "Die Tote Stadt" and "Violanta." And, I still challenge anyone to listen to a Bax tone poem and, then, honestly be able to say that music is entirely non-representational and can't be sexy.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

Someone has mentioned the love theme from Earthquake already, and I'd second that nomination. I find that to be very sultry. A couple of selections from Sabrina would also qualify, methinks. Plus, actually, there's just something about "Across The Stars"....

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well... maybe it's because Williams' music isn't sexy! Nothing wrong with expanding the conversation to include composers who can create that kind of music, is there?


Well, you know me, I kinda would have preferred to see a separate thread for that and keep this to Williams. God knows, there's plenty to be said about this even keeping it to him (possibly discuss WHETHER his music is sexy or not and if some of his music falls in this category).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Someone has mentioned the love theme from Earthquake already, and I'd second that nomination. I find that to be very sultry. A couple of selections from Sabrina would also qualify, methinks. Plus, actually, there's just something about "Across The Stars"....

Dan


Both SABRINA and "Across the Stars" would fall into the LOVE category, IMO, not really "sexual", which is kinda different. Williams has LOTS of tracks that encapsulate the LOVE sound brilliantly. Perhaps more than any other (living) composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

If we judge by the thread title, we would be talking about something quite different...

Alex

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Well, you know me, I kinda would have preferred to see a separate thread for that and keep this to Williams.

Fair enough, Thor. A casual look over Williams' filmography sparked a few thoughts...

The main theme to PRESUMED INNOCENT has a dark sexuality to it, and it expresses the obsession / despair of the main character beautifully.

WITCHES OF EASTWICK may be a contender, although it's playful in tone...

DRACULA is epic, romantic stuff - not really sexual, but Williams did score the love scene between Frank Langella and Kate Nelligan perfectly.

And yes, when it comes to purely romantic love, Williams has hit the ball out of the park several times. STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, JANE EYRE, DRACULA, ATTACK OF THE CLONES, ACCIDENTAL TOURIST... even RAIDERS has a bang-up love theme.


 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Well, you know me, I kinda would have preferred to see a separate thread for that and keep this to Williams.

Fair enough, Thor. A casual look over Williams' filmography sparked a few thoughts...

The main theme to PRESUMED INNOCENT has a dark sexuality to it, and it expresses the obsession / despair of the main character beautifully.

WITCHES OF EASTWICK may be a contender, although it's playful in tone...

DRACULA is epic, romantic stuff - not really sexual, but Williams did score the love scene between Frank Langella and Kate Nelligan perfectly.

And yes, when it comes to purely romantic love, Williams has hit the ball out of the park several times. STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, JANE EYRE, DRACULA, ATTACK OF THE CLONES, ACCIDENTAL TOURIST... even RAIDERS has a bang-up love theme.


Yep, yep and YEP! Thanks, Sgt. E, for bringing up these glorious scores.

Perhaps Williams hasn't had an equivalent of "Basic Instinct" vis-a-vis "sexually charged", but his music is far more accessible emotionally...with far more warmth...than the works (excellent works at that) of Goldsmith.

Goldsmith has always been, to me, cerebral, while Williams' writes from the heart.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

I can't think of any Williams music which is truly sensual in the same sense as Basic Instinct. Romantic yes. Sensual/sexual no.

John Barry, on the other hand, can make a car chase sexy. He's the Barry White of film music.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)


Goldsmith has always been, to me, cerebral, while Williams' writes from the heart.


Really? That's an interesting perspective. I see them as capable of both, but I find Goldsmith more emotionally accessible and less manipulative in that sense than Williams. Generally speaking, of course. I can't imagine that the finale to "The Russia House" was written from anywhere but the heart.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I can't think of any Williams music which is truly sensual in the same sense as Basic Instinct. Romantic yes. Sensual/sexual no.

Well, if I were ever to have sex to film music (God forbid!), BASIC INSTINCT would be FAR too cheesy and obvious. Some of Williams' loungy "background" music would be FAR more suitable and discreet...and hence more sexual (and no, I'm not talking about the title song to JOHN GOLDFARB PLEASE COME HOME!). But yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaking of which, here's a funny thread about having sex to film music:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=2369&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Speaking of which, here's a funny thread about having sex to film music:

Wow. Somebody has had sex to CONAN THE BARBARIAN.

Somehow, I don't think that would fly with my current flame...

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

The sexiest film music cue I've ever heard was from BODY HEAT, a track called "I'm Weak" which accompanies the scene where William Hurt is leaving Kathleen Turner's house after "listening to her wind chimes" and sees her standing in the living room, looking at him lustily...he tries the door but it's locked, so he picks up a lawn chair and throws it through the window, follow it through and takes her right there on the floor. Steamiest music ever, the way it takes Barry's sensouous theme and builds to fever pitch. Just amazing!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Wow. Somebody has had sex to CONAN THE BARBARIAN.

Somehow, I don't think that would fly with my current flame...


Remind me never to tell you about the girl I slept with who enjoyed "Mars: The Bringer Of War" a bit too much...

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


Goldsmith has always been, to me, cerebral, while Williams' writes from the heart.


Really? That's an interesting perspective. I see them as capable of both, but I find Goldsmith more emotionally accessible and less manipulative in that sense than Williams. Generally speaking, of course. I can't imagine that the finale to "The Russia House" was written from anywhere but the heart.


I have encountered several film music fans who find Goldsmith's music (while wonderful and exciting) a bit on the cold/detached side.

As far as the use of the word "manipulative", I wonder what it is, exactly, that you mean. Do you mean that you resent being made to "feel" something? That it's too expressive? Too emotionally engaging?

Or do you mean he's trying to sell something that doesn't exist (sort of like the love theme in "The Wind and the Lion" when there is no romance to be found)?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I can't agree with the notion that Goldsmith doesn't write straight from his heart. Just listen to Islands In The Stream.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I can't agree with the notion that Goldsmith doesn't write straight from his heart. Just listen to Islands In The Stream.

Alex


Excellent example. Listen also to A PATCH OF BLUE, and I'm sure I can think of more examples of Goldsmith music with genuine heart.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Remind me never to tell you about the girl I slept with who enjoyed "Mars: The Bringer Of War" a bit too much...


Henceforth, I shall refer to you as LeHolst!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   joffa   (Member)

Speaking of which, here's a funny thread about having sex to film music:

Wow. Somebody has had sex to CONAN THE BARBARIAN.

Somehow, I don't think that would fly with my current flame...


I'm more amazed there are people who HAVEN'T had sex to Conan the Barabarian! razz

 
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