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Sep 12, 2021 - 1:19 PM
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Ruggles
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Recently I was listening to Intrada's DIAL "M" FOR MURDER and have to say a big thank you to all involved for putting out such a great new recording. As a fan of Hitchcock I'm truly appreciative for any new releases of scores that accompany his movies, whether they be original recordings or re-recordings.
There were so many great composers who worked alongside Hitchcock... Bernard Herrmann, Maurice Jarre, Miklos Rozsa, Dimitri Tiomkin, Franz Waxman, John Williams, etc.
This got me thinking, are there scores for Hitch's movies where the elements are known to have survived and are in decent shape, but where there hasn't been an official release yet?
By contrast, are there scores for Hitchcock's films that (for now) are confirmed as lost or destroyed and where re-recordings are the only option we have?
Specifically, I've often wondered about titles such as SHADOW OF A DOUBT (1943) and I CONFESS (1953) by Dimitri Tiomkin, as well as THE PARADINE CASE (1947) by Franz Waxman.
Thanks for your time,
LB
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I don’t recall hearing any of Bernstein’s Fancy Free in Rear Window, but there is a moment in the score where Waxman directly quotes his own “A Place in the Sun” (namely the Farewell and Frenzy cue).
Edit: In answer to your question, we know via Robert Harris that tapes for a decent amount of The Man Who Knew Too Much survive, but have yet to be released.
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143612&forumID=1&archive=0
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I think there are decent elements for "Rebecca", but no official release thus far. The Warner Tiomkins exist only as m&e (if at all). "Rear Window" should be there, but I'm not sure how much of "The Trouble With Harry" and "The Man Who Knew Too Much" is still extant. Most of the other 1950s to 1970s material has been covered pretty well during the last twenty years. I guess the material for the later movies should exist at Universal, but it's not that easy to get it cleared.
I don't have much hope for any of the other 1930s/1940s material - except for Frank Skinner's "Saboteur" (which also could be done).
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I love Saboteur… you actually know that tapes survive, for that?
Yavar
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I love Saboteur… you actually know that tapes survive, for that?
Yavar
Yavar, you should have read this thread:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143723&forumID=1&archive=0
The University of Illinois has four acetate discs of SABOTEUR in their Skinner collection and each side of the acetates contains about 4-5 minutes of music. So altogether there are about 35 minutes of Skinner´s score on these discs - there are even a few tracks which were not used in the film. Sound quality is quite ok considering the age of the acetates
A few months ago I have identified these SABOTEUR acetate tracks for the University people who were totally happy about this (they are no soundtrack experts at all and therefore didn´t know how to identify anything on these discs) - some of their acetate boxes were wrongly titled SABOTEUR, but in fact contained music from other Skinner scores (even four discs with THE RAGING TIDE, one disc each with THE WORLD IN HIS ARMS, BLACK BART, FRANCIS GOES TO THE RACES...) - and I have of course also made a detailed track listing in comparison with the film itself.
These are my track titles for the music on the four acetates of SABOTEUR which are available at the University:
Disc 10 – Side A: Police Car/Escape from the Police/Taking Refuge at Mr. Martin´s House
Disc 10 – Side B: Mr. Martin and Patricia/Barry and Patricia Leave Mr. Martin´s House/Barry and Patricia in the Car
Disc 11 – Side A: Barry Tries to Break His Handcuffs with the Car Engine/Countryside at Night
Disc 11 – Side B: The Circus Train/Love Scene Part I
Disc 12 – Side A: Love Scene Part II/Farewell to the Circus Troupe [3:00 – 4:08 not in film]
Disc 12 – Side B: The Barrage/Fry Escapes/Patricia Follows Fry [1:55 – 3:00 not in film]
Disc 13 – Side A: Patricia Calls the FBI/Inside the Statue of Liberty/Fry and Patricia I [1:10 – 4:25 not in film]
Disc 13 – Side B: Fry and Patricia II/Barry and the FBI Arrive/Finale/ Exit Music (?) [0:00 – 0:46 and 2:18 – 4:05 not in film]
The music from Reel 1 (about the first 20 minutes of the film) is missing on the acetates so the Main Title is not there, but for an official release it could of course be taken quite easily from the film itself. However, most of the important tracks of the score are indeed on the discs as there isn´t that much music during the first 20 minutes of the movie after the Main Title.
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On Soundtrack Collector there's a release for REBECCA by "Marco Polo 8.233399". Is this a legit release? If so, is it a re-recording?
I seem to recall reading somewhere on this board that Intrada might be working on PSYCHO (1998). I've never seen the remake, but hear the music is quite faithful to the original.
The Marco Polo Rebecca is a legitimate release of a re-recording of the score by Adrianno (the label also released many of William Stromberg’s pre-TFC recordings). However, I’ve heard that the recording is not very good and that the McNeely recording (which is the one I have) is far superior.
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I don't have much hope for any of the other 1930s/1940s material - except for Frank Skinner's "Saboteur" (which also could be done).
Also Franz Waxman´s almost complete THE PARADINE CASE (without sound effects) exists. At least I myself have about 40 minutes of the original music tracks in quite good sound quality.
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