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Jeremiah Johson overture and intermission is on the dvd.
Teh Varese club says the pop version of the Love theme from Sand pebbles was the exit music.
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t know where they got this idea. When i saw the film in roadshow, there was no exit music.
When searchig and screening several 70mm prints for fox vid in the early90s, none of the 70mm prints had exit music on them.
The roadshow version of pebbles is onluy on regular dvd. The Blue ray version has only the short version.
I thought that Varese's statement about exit music for TSP was incorrect-but wasn't sure as ones memory can play tricks from as long ago as 1966! Thanks for clearing that up.
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It seems to be odd when some major musicals did not have Overtures.
Half a Sixpence did not have one. Neither did Hello Dolly or Sound of Music.
Isn't an elaborately arranged & orchestrated Main Title just as good, though?
Then, at least, you don't have audience members muttering, "I wonder what's wrong with the picture?" during the overture.
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Back when you paid a premium price for an advance reserved seat ticket at a roadshow theatre you didn't go in expecting picture problems and everyone knew what the music playing over the closed curtain was about.
Re: The Sound of Music: Think about the title. Robert Wise felt it made sense to start in silence, then gradually introduce nature SOUNDS, and then subtly have the MUSIC emerge from that, building into Julie Andrews' appearance to create the sense that she and the music are an extension of nature. A big overture medley would have worked against this approach. As it turns out the stage production didn't have an Overture either; it broke from Rodgers & Hammerstein tradition by beginning with the a cappella nun's procession.
Mike
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The Bluray of Kingdom of Heaven-directors' cut left out the overture,intermission,entr'acte and all the extras that were on the 4 disc special edition dvd set.
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Sep 11, 2010 - 8:13 AM
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Those of us who grew up in the heyday of roadshow attractions tend to forget that many people today have no direct experience of what exactly was meant by a film “Overture”, “Intermission/Entr’acte” or “Exit Music”. That’s sad, because there’s little doubt that cinema presentation has deteriorated alarmingly.
Presentationally, one of the worst things about modern cinemas is that they no longer have proscenium curtains – just a white blank screen; the view of which would have been anathema to cinema managers of the past. Also the picture quality of films has regressed following the demise of 70mm, which most roadshows were presented in. Although 35mm film stock has improved, it doesn’t compare to the sharp, pristine grain-free appearance of 70mm.
Incidentally, that Wikipedia link posted above listing Overtures is far from complete. Good previous thread on the subject of roadshows: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=43842&forumID=7&archive=0
Here, here!!! However I must tell you all that many theatre chains in Australia still have the proscenium curtains. When you sit in a theatre here you will see the slide ads first, followed by the short tv-style ads. Then the curtains will close briefly and the lights will dim. The curtains will re-open...there may be some screen adjustment in size and then the main feature will begin.
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Sep 11, 2010 - 9:01 AM
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The roadshow version of sand pebbles is only on regular dvd. The Blu- ray version has only the short version.
Joe, thanks for that info - I had no idea that the Blu-ray did not include the roadshow version --
are there other instances on Fox(or other labels) Blu-ray , where material like this has not been included??
The Blu-ray of THE SAND PEBBLES does include every missing scene from the Roadshow Version. On the Two-Disc standard DVD, Fox included a 70mm Roadshow print on Disc Two, but unfortunately it dates from the sixties and has gone mostly red making the viewing of the entire film with this transfer problematic. On the Blu-ray, Fox has wisely included all the Roadshow scenes missing from the Theatrical (i.e. "General Release") Version as a bonus feature in the supplements section.
So, you don't miss anything with the Blu-ray of TSP, and in fact, it's one of the best Blu-rays of a vintage film out there. Most of the film has been beautifully restored, though my guess is Fox can't find the 35mm negatives to the scenes cut from the Roadshow Version, or else they're destroyed long ago (TSP was shot in 35mm Panavision and blown up to 70mm -- and cropped -- for Roadshow release). Anyway, the isolated Goldsmith score and Nick Redman et al commentary track alone are worth the price of this highly recommended Blu-ray.
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Sep 11, 2010 - 10:42 PM
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philip*eric
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The roadshow version of sand pebbles is only on regular dvd. The Blu- ray version has only the short version.
Joe, thanks for that info - I had no idea that the Blu-ray did not include the roadshow version --
are there other instances on Fox(or other labels) Blu-ray , where material like this has not been included??
The Blu-ray of THE SAND PEBBLES does include every missing scene from the Roadshow Version. On the Two-Disc standard DVD, Fox included a 70mm Roadshow print on Disc Two, but unfortunately it dates from the sixties and has gone mostly red making the viewing of the entire film with this transfer problematic. On the Blu-ray, Fox has wisely included all the Roadshow scenes missing from the Theatrical (i.e. "General Release") Version as a bonus feature in the supplements section.
So, you don't miss anything with the Blu-ray of TSP, and in fact, it's one of the best Blu-rays of a vintage film out there. Most of the film has been beautifully restored, though my guess is Fox can't find the 35mm negatives to the scenes cut from the Roadshow Version, or else they're destroyed long ago (TSP was shot in 35mm Panavision and blown up to 70mm -- and cropped -- for Roadshow release). Anyway, the isolated Goldsmith score and Nick Redman et al commentary track alone are worth the price of this highly recommended Blu-ray.
thanks for the clarification - I do own the Blu-ray but haven't watched it yet - guess I may keep the 2 disc dvd set as well --
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The Overture wasn't really killed because of attention span. Unlike in an opera or ballet, the Overtures in cinema were meant to play in the background as patrons entered, took their seats, bought their popcorn, went to the loo, chatted, found their seats etc., etc.. Attention was always optional.
What killed it was TV. You can't show overtures on TV, so they were always cut. This changed people's expectations or at least the producers' perceptions of their expectations. And on VHS or DVD the whole idea is that you can start the film at home whenever you like. The notion of an interval before or during a film whilst the viewers 'wait' for the start is meaningless.
But the main thing was advertising. Once it was realised that you could get twice as many ads or preview trailers in, and once it was realised that less padding means more showings in a day, they disappeared.
Also, they were phased out when pop and jazz scores became more prevalent in the 1960s. An Overture in classical music form PROPER contains a selection of main leitmotives from the score. If you eschew the leitmotif structure, then what sort of 'Overture' can you have? Herrmann had few overtures, because even his later scores wouldn't allow that. It's a classical musical form, for classical pictures, or at the very least, musicals.
And remember that form dictates content. Today, an Overture suggests a massive epic undertaking underway. A simple soap opera or intimate comedy seems pretentious with an overture, no matter how literate or meaningful or clever.
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People in the US may not be aware of this, but, believe it or not, Exit Music, right up until the 1980s, was not played in many cinemas in the UK during evening performances, because it was mandatory to end the day with a clip of the Queen 'trooping the colour' against the playing of the National Anthem.
Some older patrons actually stood up and waited until this was finished before leaving.
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because it was mandatory to end the day with a clip of the Queen 'trooping the colour' against the playing of the National Anthem.
Some older patrons actually stood up and waited until this was finished before leaving.
SACRE ROSSBEEF!
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