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The other day, one of the board admins said not to reply to spam threads, as it makes it more difficult to remove the posts. Looks like someone saw that, and is creating additional accounts to add replies as well.
Really? They just seem like spambots, not like actual people doing it?
I hope everyone respects David's wishes, and doesn't respond to any of them. I'm not sure if they've woken up in the US yet, so it might take awhile before they're deleted.
Aw, shoot, I just responded to one before seeing that. And then I saw there were tons of 'em. Damn!
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I just have this dream and hope that one of these days, discussions will actually be about the music or the film, instead of various collector issues (limited editions, sale times, postage issues, remasterings etc.) -- in other words, everything AROUND the music itself.
But those of us who long for that, seem to be a dying breed.
Some of the issues you speak of are customer service issues and others are still very much related to the music in terms of its presentation. All are valid.
If I can offer some perspective, when I get together with my music-nerd friends in person (not just film scores but all genres), no one talks about sale times and postage issues. Those concerns are endemic of the fact that all of us here are referencing specifics that function within boards like this.
You can, however, damn well believe we talk about limited editions and remasters because our love for the music means we also care about its best presentation. Where this is concerned, music fans have always cared, so in fact we are the breed. Those who want a presentation with only part of the original content (a holdover from the days of vinyl when a composer by necessity had to choose only a portion of their work and craft it into a shorter, listenable unit) have never been a large group per se. We've only come to see these disparate groups as a result of the technological ability to expand on what we used to take for granted.
That said, I believe one of your points was that people here bitch and moan too much and spread the love about the music too little, and on this I heartily agree with you. I also agree with you that there are times when a score album adequately represents the composer's work. Why can't we have both?
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:41 AM
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Thor
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Yeah, I expected to be in the minority on this (too). As I said, we who are hardcore "aestheticians" are a dying breed. I know that Joan, for example, feels much the same way. And I can understand why it's happened; the rise of niche labels and limited editions have turned the discussions towards the product, the "item" and everything that surrounds it. Less on the music itself (the album experience), the film or how the music works in the film, which are the three things that interest me with film music discussion.
It's like film music forums have turned into customer service boards! We've certainly lost something along the way, which I find really sad, and which has really killed off much of my forum activity. Sounds grim, and maybe there's a way to get back on track, but I'm skeptical at this point.
But this is not a new topic; I expressed similar concerns back in 2012:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=92848&forumID=1&archive=0
---and then also this in 2007:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=40112&forumID=1&archive=1
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:55 AM
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Thor
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Don't give up, Thor.
It's easy enough to identify (or start) a thread to discuss the music itself.
Similarly, a PR marketing announcement thread is more likely to focus on the consumer product.
There is plenty of space for both.
Yeah, you would think so. For a while after this "trend" surfaced, I started countering it with the type of discussions I felt were interesting, but they quickly spiralled down the page and onwards due to lack of activity. So after a couple of years, I basically gave up.
It's not ALL black, though. Now and then there's a good topic that warrants more aesthetic discussions; or at least discussions that are more than customer service. I'm just waxing nostalgic over the late 90s and early to mid 2000s, when the atmosphere was very different.
I mean -- here we have a thread on AGNES OF GOD, one of Delerue's finest scores. There is only one previous thread that focusses on the music itself:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96252&forumID=1&archive=0
...and that one is fairly shortlived.
So here's the chance to talk MUSIC and FILM and FILM MUSIC. I sort of tried with my earlier post. But that's not what people care about anymore, it seems. Why? Is it because you feel you don't have anything to say about it? Has it been talked to death before (it clearly has not)?
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:58 AM
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Mike Esssss
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Yeah, I expected to be in the minority on this (too). As I said, we who are hardcore "aestheticians" are a dying breed. I know that Joan, for example, feels much the same way. And I can understand why it's happened; the rise of niche labels and limited editions have turned the discussions towards the product, the "item" and everything that surrounds it. Less on the music itself (the album experience), the film or how the music works in the film, which are the three things that interest me with film music discussion.
This from the king of the meta threads?
It's like film music forums have turned into customer service boards! We've certainly lost something along the way, which I find really sad, and which has really killed off much of my forum activity. Sounds grim, and maybe there's a way to get back on track, but I'm skeptical at this point.
But this is not a new topic; I expressed similar concerns back in 2012:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=92848&forumID=1&archive=0
---and then also this in 2007:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=40112&forumID=1&archive=1
What is more customer service board than "Look see here are other places where I've complained about this."
Love you buddy 
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Yeah, I expected to be in the minority on this (too). As I said, we who are hardcore "aestheticians" are a dying breed.
Oh, Thor: Aestheticians? Okay, buddy, you gotta admit that's one to chuckle over. Waaaay over the top. It also connotes an elite membership. Can we perhaps just keep it plain and simple: You don't give a crap how the music is packaged except if it's too long you don't like it. Others like the package as well as how the music is configured on the actual CD, LP, cassette, acetate, 8-track. Let's not get all ZEN AND THE ART OF MOTORCYLE MAINTENANCE. Intellectualism for its own sake is just as tedious as people complaining about the shipping charges, etc. that you dislike. (Okay, I'm going to go off in a corner and have another snicker. "Aestheticians" indeed.)
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I don't think this is remastered. The press blurb never said it was.
It is.
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Geez, overreact much? Wasn't aware it was such a controversial term. It just means one's primary interest is the aesthetics of things -- the sounds of the music, how it's applied, what emotions it conveys, what it tells, what associations etc. etc. If you know a better word for it, I'm all ears.
I don't consider this particularly 'intellectual', although it obviously requires some BASIC analytical skills and a set of adjectives. It's really what any fan of an artform should be able to convey in words. But we've been bogged down in a superficial quagmire for so long now, people have seemingly forgotten how to do so; or lost interest completely.
Thor, firstly I was teasing you. Secondly, the fact that you think you need to explain to us why you used the word "aesthetic" is at the heart of the very problem of your thread wherein you used the word "aesthetic." My point, somewhat comically but also somewhat seriously, was that you make things sooooo intellectual that aren't. It also is very much an elitist term, best reserved for academics discussing the zens of the universe. It's pedantic and I think deep down you know it. You're asking people not to get so mired in the details of the product itself but have no problem getting mired in the details of your own argument. It's part of your charm, but c'mon. I was just taking the piss out of you for being heavy-handed and over-analyzing something that doesn't need it. You're condemning people for being too serious about aspects about soundtracks that you don't care about, while at the same time validating why you being serious about alternate aspects is okay. I also think you're applying a point globally to a group wherein very few members resemble your description. Your points hold validity only insomuch as 2 out of 100 people resemble them. I, too, can over-intellectualize with the best of 'em but in a world with far deeper concerns, I'm becoming far more bored at the prospect.
Thor likes short soundtrack albums. Others like their soundtracks complete and chronological.
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Nov 30, 2016 - 6:19 PM
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Thor
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Thor, firstly I was teasing you. Secondly, the fact that you think you need to explain to us why you used the word "aesthetic" is at the heart of the very problem of your thread wherein you used the word "aesthetic." My point, somewhat comically but also somewhat seriously, was that you make things sooooo intellectual that aren't.
I don't understand what you think is so intellectual or elitist about it. True, I have an academic background, but the Norwegian word 'estetiker' (which I assume is translated as 'aesthetician') is fairly common in colloquial speech over here. But again -- English is not my first language, so if you have a better word that covers the same meaning, I'm all ears. I freely admit to having a limited colloquial vocabulary in English.
And I'm not talking about making dissertations here. Just good ol'-fashioned "pub" talk about the music or the film. Could be as simple as "I love this music; it's so haunting and almost religious in tone!". Or "I love the uptempo bit that underscores the horseriding bit in the movie". Hardly rocket science.
You're asking people not to get so mired in the details of the product itself but have no problem getting mired in the details of your own argument.
Well, what other way to point out what you perceive is lacking in a discussion paradigm (oops, I used the word 'paradigm' -- I was just being too elitist again!), than to go 'meta'?
You may be taking the piss, but your rhetoric seems to suggest otherwise. I seriously don't see what the big deal is. If you disagree with me, and think that the prevalence (ooops, I used 'prevalence' -- I was being too elitist for the THIRD time!) of these 'superficial' customer service discussions are a-ok, that's your right. Just as it is mine to lament that something is missing from our discourse (oops, I used 'discourse' etc.).
But I've made my point, and I'll probably be making it with regular intervals in the future. Should we start talking about AGNES OF GOD now (preferably AESTHETIC issues!)? 
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