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Oct 7, 2021 - 2:04 PM
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Tall Guy
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I was lucky enough to discover Jerry Goldsmith when he was at his absolute peak (1978 -1983)...
There is and never will be anybody of that caliber in the 21th Century...this has become impossible....because the world has changed too much in the last 25 years...and this includes the movie and film music world as well, everything beeing now pre-packed industrial chain (sampling and programming) instead of one-of-a-kind artistry (sketches, orchestrations, counterpoint, harmonics) as it used to be in the Silver Age, mainly 1960 to 1980.
Defeatist and somewhat blinkered, I’m afraid. And a little insulting to all the young people diligently learning music theory, some of whom will go into applied music and might well bring about the next cycle in film scoring. Because there always is a next cycle. And my standard for appreciation of music isn’t based on how clever it is, it’s whether or not I like it for itself. Silver age is also my heartland, but not all of it, and not to the exclusion of modern stuff that I’ve tried and enjoyed. Not a huge fan of golden age by and large - but I love concert hall music from that era above anything else.
Zimmer catches all the fire from the nostalgic boomers like me because he is the ultimate ambassador of that new age of film music industrial manufacturing
It’s fine to hold and express a negative opinion about any particular score, but to dislike it on principle, as you seem to state here, is just curmudgeonly. For pity’s sake be more positive, enjoy what you enjoy, seek out the good stuff and stop moping about things you can’t do anything about, and ride them out in good spirits. You’ll feel a lot better, I promise you. This is me doling out tough love, as your elder!
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There’s always something new that generates interest. Chris Willis and Anthony Willis are two relatively new composers who are making waves and writing solid music. Wallfisch is more than capable. There are more emerging female composers with unique compositional voices.
The system does make it harder for modern composers to write the kind of music the drew a lot of us in when we were younger. But remember that everything moves In cycles. It’s likely we will see a Renaissance of big orchestral scores with memorable themes and motifs like the classic scores. Until then, there’s no shortage of classic soundtracks that are re released in deluxe expanded formats and such.
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Yes, the "new" factor is very important to consider. When FAR FROM HEAVEN came out it would get a ton more posts than Elmer's older scores. Also if you try to find the number of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD threads over the years you will find that accumulated amount of posts would decimate any newer hotter thread. The big picture is very important.
That's what I meant with my earlier post as well. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD has been around for a while. Okay, yes, there is a new re-release of the AVA recording, and that is great news. The score should always be available and in print, it's a classic and one of the all time great film scores. But over the years, I've read countless articles, liner notes, book chapters, and online threads referring to of having TKM as a subject. DUNE and NO TIME TO DIE are currently new, so new, I suppose most people have not actually seen the movies or heard the scores.
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Looks like some of us are just TOO OLD for this FSM Board. Statistics don’t lie, and here is the proof.
In the last three days, we have had two topics about one of the most ICONIC, gorgeous, heart-rendering scores ever composed. That score is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD by Elmer Bernstein. I think any member who thinks he or she is knowledgeable about film scores should “eventually” be cognizant of this score. (I say “eventually” for those who are really young and may actually someday journey back in time to hear renowned, celebrated scores.)
One TKM thread had 2, 027 views and one had 2,942 views. Sigh.
Now compare those numbers with two Zimmer threads in the last few days.
Dune topic had 21, 638 views.
No Time To Die had 266,110 views. I can’t believe it had that many views. (Maybe people just enjoyed the blood-letting on that topic.)
So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?
(Not me. I’m going to stick around to discover undiscovered past, present and future scores and to try to stamp out film score illiteracy, or I could keep hitting “view” on a topic 100,000 times. )
I have a Gen Z friend who is under 21 who knows Bernard Herrmann scores, is abig fan of Steiner's The Fountainhead, loves analog over digital, and is not a hipster. It's not totally over.
From these boards, I appreciate and have longstanding loyalties to a few of us and it's like anything, discerning people, discerning ideas, thoughts, and comprehensions.
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The hits just keep coming…
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Posted: Oct 7, 2021 - 4:38 PM Report Abuse Reply to Post
By: MMM (Member)
Hell, a lot of people here (myself included) are too old for SHUFFLEBOARD!
David,
Get with it man! The new rage is PICKLE BALL! You Neanderthal, you.
Ron Burbella
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So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?
The only reason the HZ threads get that many hits is that theres an undercurrent of decrepit white men / trolls who have nothing better to do than bump threads by bitching about what they hate instead of what they like.
Difference between looking at the donut, or the hole.
Can someone please explain what this ninny means by: "decrepit white men"?
Why would this matter, even if accurate? How would say the opinion of a decrepit man vs. a white man vs. simply decrepit, or a man or even white? How do these specific descriptors (or a combination thereof) matter more than say other descriptors?
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Oct 7, 2021 - 6:46 PM
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Howard L
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This Week on "Boomer Problems"...
Of course this just had to happen LOL you scamp, LD. 
What I really LOVE is the fact that the Old Codgers are refusing to leave. Good. We need to hang in here.
As the late great Miss Lee intoned...oh, no, not me, I'm not ready for that final disappointment...and hey joan, this is no time to even THINK of playing the closing scene on the roof in Radio Days. Because...
As in all artistic endeavours, quality will endure.
...which reminds me of a most pleasureable experience towards the end of last year when I posted something dear to my heart over a cue each from a Herrmann- and Barry-scored film pairing. It brought Codgers and maybe even a few non-Codgers out of the woodwork and the responses were a joy to drink in. So even in times when this place becomes FSWasteland there's always room for a quality reminder. And at just the right time.
But sadly, some may never see movies made before their births. It will be their loss.
I grew up in the 60s in the UK watching old films on b&w tv and then venturing into the cinemas from the late 60s, including seeing reruns of Gone With the Wind.
I'm an Eisenhower baby...
Me too; in fact I entered kindergarten some months after JFK was inaugurated. Growing up in the 60s on this side of the b&w TV pond was the best because the 60s was the best in terms of an era with the finest overall combined record of scoring films, television series, drama, from-stage-to-screen musicals...you name it. And as a youngster I was exposed to Golden Age movies made before my birth en masse thanks to television. Add contemporary cinema of the time into the mix and you see where I'm coming from.
This is the great advantage someone like me and others had when the messageboard came around back in late '97-early '98. It's called a vast frame of reference to draw from. We were loaded for bear to share and discuss anything & everything about film music. Hell, we were now hooking up with like-minded kindred souls after decades of isolationism!
And thankfully there are times when it still feels like we...is just...warmin' up. 
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This is the great advantage someone like me and others had when the messageboard came around back in late '97-early '98. It's called a vast frame of reference to draw from. We were loaded for bear to share and discuss anything & everything about film music. Hell, we were now hooking up with like-minded kindred souls after decades of isolationism!
That’s the nice thing about the early internet is it was like treasure-hunting for information and you still had all the knowledge from books. People who had information were like gurus and everyone shared all the myths and rumors! I loved that element of mystery and discovery. Fun times.
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"...and now I have retired and have both more time and money I can explore more too - Poteyenko on KeV McG's recommendation, Godwin Borg's superb Kronos catalogue, etc etc"
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That's cool, Ian.
I hope you like 'em.
And I wish you would add your thoughts about them to the various Y-Pot threads.
They need all the help they can get!! 
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