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 Posted:   Oct 24, 2021 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Whatever else, how about if we don't use this thread as a platform for tasteless jokes. Somebody died.

Actually I was mocking the obsession with celebrities, not their death. Americans live in a fantasy world of pop culture where the life or death of an actor (or filmmusic composer) is as important (or more) than their own family or friends. I don't find it amusing, either.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2021 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Really? Conspiracy theories? Jeez. The person assigned to make sure the gun was safe before Baldwin fired it was careless. Baldwin fired during a rehearsal and one person was killed. Why dig around for something sinister when it was most probably just a tragic accident?

Really? Over-reaction to possibilities? Mere mention of what is unlikely though possible is hardly picking up a placard for paranoia and crusading through the streets demanding revolution. Calm down. In today's right-wing brown-shirt thuggery environment, where right-wingers are making death threats to school board members and medical personnel, this is an angle with some legs. Again, not likely, but possible.


What exactly does "framing him for murder" accomplish in regards to how the events played out? Its not his gun, the prop person gave him the gun, he was told to act out a scene and it went off. That's the worst scheme I've ever heard of in my life. It's just ridiculous unfounded conspiracy theories.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2021 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Really? Conspiracy theories? Jeez. The person assigned to make sure the gun was safe before Baldwin fired it was careless. Baldwin fired during a rehearsal and one person was killed. Why dig around for something sinister when it was most probably just a tragic accident?

Really? Over-reaction to possibilities? Mere mention of what is unlikely though possible is hardly picking up a placard for paranoia and crusading through the streets demanding revolution. Calm down. In today's right-wing brown-shirt thuggery environment, where right-wingers are making death threats to school board members and medical personnel, this is an angle with some legs. Again, not likely, but possible.


Let's go, Brandon.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2021 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

To ponder a nefarious actor simply does that. Others are saying, "What sense does it make to frame Baldwin for murder?" Speaking for myself, I did not say that. All I said was that in a brown-shirt right-wing terrorism world, one has to counsel possibilities.

As for potential crimes, nobody ever said criminals were geniuses. Introducing a live firearm to a theatrical setting amongst "lefties" one hates might be sufficient cause to *hope* that those one hates get hurt. Now does that make some sense? Enough sense to ponder? I agree, probably nothing to that. As I stated before. But I would not dismiss that possibility. Alec Baldwin after all is an outspoken activist.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I think this thing is more simple than some make it out to be.
Whose job was it to insure the gun (a Colt revolver, I understand) was loaded with blanks instead of live rounds before being given to Baldwin?
Did that person insure that the gun was loaded with blanks instead of live rounds and that no slug was in the barrel?
Should Baldwin have checked the gun?
*How/why did the cinematographer and director come to be in the direct line of fire?

Apparently there were issues on the set regarding working conditions and safety issues. Some crewmembers walked off the set due to these issues. Some said there were three accidental weapons discharges, etc. Reportedly, a crewmember that made the 911 call blamed it on the AD.

Someone should have:
Released the cylinder.
Emptied the cylinder, especially if the gun had been used for fun shooting earlier.
Checked the barrel to make sure it was empty
Then loaded the cylinder with blanks.
How difficult is that?

The fact that the armorer had expressed much self doubt on a previous film set about her ability to load blanks(?), doesn't exactly instill much confidence.

*Either they put themselves in harm's way or Baldwin pointed the gun directly at them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Weird. Last week or so watched Time Limit for the first time and noticed Alan Dexter played one of the POWs. Some may recall his performance in Paint Your Wagon. Anyway, laughed to myself because to this day I've never forgotten a noirish episode of The Adventures Of Superman wherein an actor named "Alan Dexter" is killed on-set by a live bullet deliberately inserted by the underworld into a prop gun during the filming of "Czar Of The Underworld."

And then this happens. Yeesh.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well, for those who wanted misleading, sensational, falsely incriminating headlines I give you this-

"Warrant: Baldwin was 'practicing' with gun".
https://www.aol.com/news/warrant-baldwin-practicing-gun-052422375.html

It doesn't change anything though.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Well, for those who wanted misleading, sensational, falsely incriminating headlines I give you this-

"Warrant: Baldwin was 'practicing' with gun".
https://www.aol.com/news/warrant-baldwin-practicing-gun-052422375.html

It doesn't change anything though.


So, he was practicing his draw when the gun went off?

If the revolver was single action, the hammer would have to have been pulled back before the trigger could be squeezed thus firing the revolver. Was he practicing drawing a cocked gun?

I'm trying to figure out why the word "misfired" keeps coming up in describing what happened.
Typically, misfire occurs when a live round is in the chamber, the trigger is squeezed to discharge the gun, and nothing happens. The round is a "dud" or a misfire for whatever reason.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

All I said was that in a brown-shirt right-wing terrorism world, one has to counsel possibilities.

The Award for one having absolutely nothing to do with the other goes to... roll eyes

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)



If the revolver was single action, the hammer would have to have been pulled back before the trigger could be squeezed thus firing the revolver. Was he practicing drawing a cocked gun?.


Actually that’s extremely possible - one of the ways they fake a quick draw in movies is for the gun to be pre-cocked and have the actor mimic cocking the gun almost at the same time as pulling the trigger so the whole draw-cock-shoot thing looks a lot faster than it actually is.

If you watch any number of cowboy movies from the 50s and 60s this is actually very easy to spot if you watch carefully (and then you will never be able to un-see it).

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

All I said was that in a brown-shirt right-wing terrorism world, one has to counsel possibilities.

The Award for one having absolutely nothing to do with the other goes to... roll eyes


Do you know everything there is to know about the accidental Alec Baldwin shooting on the set of Rust? Are you a lead investigator? Are you Alec Baldwin?

Oh...


I also suspect you are reading a great deal more into what I say than is warranted. Take a pill.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

All I said was that in a brown-shirt right-wing terrorism world, one has to counsel possibilities.

The Award for one having absolutely nothing to do with the other goes to... roll eyes


Do you know everything there is to know about the accidental Alec Baldwin shooting on the set of Rust? Are you a lead investigator? Are you Alec Baldwin?

Oh...


I also suspect you are reading a great deal more into what I say than is warranted. Take a pill.


Crazed much?

Please refrain from prescribing medication to fellow board members for you are NOT an MD, not even close.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2021 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Speaking as an innocent bystander, I will point out that ever since Warlok joined up here his posts have been intelligent and well-thought out (as far as I've actually seen, as his membership here predates mine by quite a bit).
So for anyone to suggest that anything he says ever merits derision is a wee bit daft.
Or a slight over-reaction--take your pick.

 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2021 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

To ponder a nefarious actor simply does that. Others are saying, "What sense does it make to frame Baldwin for murder?" Speaking for myself, I did not say that. All I said was that in a brown-shirt right-wing terrorism world, one has to counsel possibilities.

As for potential crimes, nobody ever said criminals were geniuses. Introducing a live firearm to a theatrical setting amongst "lefties" one hates might be sufficient cause to *hope* that those one hates get hurt. Now does that make some sense? Enough sense to ponder? I agree, probably nothing to that. As I stated before. But I would not dismiss that possibility. Alec Baldwin after all is an outspoken activist.


But there is nothing to base such speculation on. So he speaks out on social political issues. So do a billion other celebrities with a social media presence. This is an accident on a filming set. Nothing to do with politics.

Here, we now have actual information stating the Armorer was "green" and "careless" with her duties.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-once-gave-unchecked-gun-to-child-actor/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2021 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

So far most of what we've heard is social media commentary from the producers and crew members. Well, the Santa Fe County Sheriff is, at long last, going to hold a press conference tomorrow. No doubt they've had to sift through a lot of evidence and witness accounts. Let's hope some clarity will be dispensed. It would also be interesting to learn who's lawyered up.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2021 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

So far most of what we've heard is social media commentary from the producers and crew members. Well, the Santa Fe County Sheriff is, at long last, going to hold a press conference tomorrow. No doubt they've had to sift through a lot of evidence and witness accounts. Let's hope some clarity will be dispensed. It would also be interesting to learn who's lawyered up.

It happened in the US of A so everyone and their mother will be lawyered up.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2021 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The investigation is clearly falling on the Armorer, Assistant Director and Baldwin. Basically the three who touched the weapon at some point in all of this. None of them have been cleared yet. But based on what I am reading this was almost certainly bungled by the Armorer and Assistant Director, who said he doesn't remember double checking the chamber of the gun for bullets. There was also talk of "live" target practice on the set. This makes me think the Armorer or others were fooling around between filming and maybe this is how a hot gun accidentally got into Baldwin's hands.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2021 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

The investigation is clearly falling on the Armorer, Assistant Director and Baldwin. Basically the three who touched the weapon at some point in all of this. None of them have been cleared yet. But based on what I am reading this was almost certainly bungled by the Armorer and Assistant Director, who said he doesn't remember double checking the chamber of the gun for bullets. There was also talk of "live" target practice on the set. This makes me think the Armorer or others were fooling around between filming and maybe this is how a hot gun accidentally got into Baldwin's hands.

Good points.
Clearly there was a total failure in the preparation and handling of the revolver. Hindsight is 20/20, but at the very least, you'd think that one of the last three people in the chain of custody (armorer, AD, Baldwin) would have taken the effort to check that it was loaded only with blanks.

As outspoken as Baldwin has been in his opposition to guns and remarks he's made on Twitter about "Shoot these people.", etc., he's clearly proven the point that so many celebrities share about gun control - that some people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. Baldwin is one that shouldn't.

Since a death is involved, I imagine that law enforcement will have to make some legal determination. Perhaps no criminal charges will be filed, but negligence, manslaughter, homicide (doesn't mean murder), will have to be addressed in some form.

Maybe a dumb question, but will the movie be completed?

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2021 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

The person most responsible for that woman's death is Alec Baldwin. It was absolutely his responsibility to check that weapon when it was handed to him. He failed. He has been in the business for decades and knows the drill. You can't just waive liability when you are the one who aimed the weapon and pulled the trigger. I don't wish this situation on anyone but facts are facts. He'll be fighting charges/lawsuits for years to come. My condolences to the family of the deceased.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2021 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The person most responsible for that woman's death is Alec Baldwin. It was absolutely his responsibility to check that weapon when it was handed to him. He failed. He has been in the business for decades and knows the drill. You can't just waive liability when you are the one who aimed the weapon and pulled the trigger. I don't wish this situation on anyone but facts are facts. He'll be fighting charges/lawsuits for years to come. My condolences to the family of the deceased.

The fact that this happens so rarely means they have a process that works. This time the process broke down. I doubt the process involves actors checking their own weapons.

 
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